ATMA BI Analyse

Hi there,

today I finished my atma hunter journey and I have an issue which I want to share with the developer and the current ATMA-Playerbase.

First of all, all gamer which got there 12 ATMA had I hard way to get the weapon. Therefore, the current random drop rate should not be changed, NEVER!!!!!!. This would be not fair to the current ATMA Player base. Based on this, we have two different Playerbases. A = Without ATMA and B = With ATMA and higher.

Now I want to talk about the ATMA Playerbase.
We all know that some of us got our ATMA very fast, around 10 hours, more or less. But some of uns spend far more then this 10 hours. What I have heard is extreme 40+ hours.
A gamer which got there ATMA piece every 30 min will never understand the pain of the gamer which spend 4 hours for one piece. Let me describe it in a other way.

We have to player which have the same gear and spend the same time and so on. Player one got his ATMA Set in 10 hours but gamer two in 40+ hours. Can you see the problem. The first player could spend his time for the books but the second player has not the opportunity to progress. And that is the point which is extremely unfair. Both player paid and spend the same effort to achieve there current state but player two will be let behind.

Therefor I suggest this.
The developer should look on the data and calculate this KPI.
Average ATMA-dropfate. This means, the result will be a distribution of the current ATMA-Playerbase and how much fates were done to get one ATMA. I think, the result will be not a normal curve of distribution. There will be a lot gamer which get every 10-20 fates there atma and some with 50+ fates. Time is not important because you have a chance of 2% (Example) to get an ATMA in a fate. Tip for the not ATMA-Base, you should do everything to do fate's very fast to expand the chance for a drop.

If I am right. Every gamer which has gone through this extreme effort 50+ fates to get one ATMA should get something for this.

WHY?

Based on my example the Player 2 could not progress due to this random factor but both paid for the same content and spend the same time before they did ATMA.

I am a BI Analyst and therefore to do something like that analyze (what i described) is my Job. If the developer needs more information i am willing to help.

Regards
Kazama Omochi

Having a 2% drop is very low and discouraging! And spending 40 hours on trying to upgrade ONE weapon isn’t good. One could have probably did more fruitful things with their time. I would ask for simpler way to do it like the developers could make it like finish 3 fates in each zone to get Atma drop.

Currently I have 7, 1 of them is reapeated. I am having luck, but it really is stressful... Because I want to upgrate my BRD, PLD and WHM weapon... And I see that it will take a long time... Having just 450 ToS per week is kinda stressful too

The atma droprate should and will be adjusted, just not as quickly as SE should. they have already gone and said they wont change it anytime soon because "they dont want to waste everyones hard WORK." the work part really gets me because RNG is never in any way, shape, or form, hard WORK. They cant even justify it as such when some players had their atmas all within 1-10 fates from each zone. I spent 800 fates collecting the 12 pieces needed. That alone is extremely time consuming for only a new skin on the weapon. It really is the dumbest thing they possibly could have done for an upgrade quest. The devs really put no time at all into implementing this. They wanted something that took time and they failed so miserably with the first step to that. RNG does not equal time and it does not equal work, it is going to be different for everyone and therefor they really dont understand the concept of either. if this is an indication of other objectives i can say for certain that i wont be re-subbing until they patch them. RNG only is never the way to go for any endgame gear. Simply adding in some sort of progression element makes it 1000 times more bearable.

Well... Yeah. That justification is not fair. People who are bored with atma don't have the fault that there are people who took a long time and already have their atma. That is SE trying to justify itself poorly

When I first read about the ATMA quest line and the zodiac saga I was thinking... ohh there will be 12 thematic fates that will need to be camped possibly on gorgi/odin/behe difficulty and that wolud spawn maybe once per day(let's say at about the same time for all)... Tha is how it should have been done and it would have been rewarding... Instead we got an atma grind... I like Axlle10 had over 800 fates to finish it... I know and have sololed a lot of them some entire zones at that. I got 3 atmas in April then NOTHING until May(and I've wasted prob near 30h after those 3). Then start of may another 3 in 3 days... then nothing again until middle/end of may.

I am not touching atma again until they drop like candies. This was not hard work... this was mind numbingly, brain melting boring.

Make the atma gathering simpler and easier is all I’m asking.

So you are saying they shouldn't do anything to alter drop rate, then you say they should do something to alter drop rate?

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

So you are saying they shouldn't do anything to alter drop rate, then you say they should do something to alter drop rate?

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I didn't understand your reply, sorry

Today I spent like 5 hours trying to get the cancer atma and nothing... such frustation

Thats what I’m saying!!! Spending hours upon hours on ONE weapon when those hours could have went somewhere else….. I’m praying to God that He allows it be easier. I know you was disappointed of 5 hours of nothing..

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Originally Posted by Marcu18

Thats what I’m saying!!! Spending hours upon hours on ONE weapon when those hours could have went somewhere else….. I’m praying to God that He allows it be easier. I know you was disappointed of 5 hours of nothing..

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Yeah. It was horrible. Never happened before. I was kinda "calm" because I was having luck with 7 of them (14 in the total because of my BRD and PLD classes), in one day I could, at least, earn one stone but yesterday was insane and in such irritating place with a lot of enemies bothering you

I’m think a part of you is saying to yourself "is this weapon really worth this much effort?” or “Am I wasting my time?” or “ Could I get a better weapon easier, faster,and less frustrating?” God gave you SOME, He can give you the rest. I just hope the developers read this and see the frustration, confusion, and disappointment people are having..

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Originally Posted by Marcu18

“ Could I get a better weapon easier, faster,and less frustrating?” ..

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The only easier wpn to get is from t7(or CT in 5 days). unless your counting on the luck of levi mirror. You should see 1 on avg. every ~60 fights. that's ~7hr not including party making time(assuming a 6min kill time). just to see your first mirror. You don't win that one; now you have 14+hr ect... if you won the 3rd mirror you saw, then you have already put more time into levi then the avg person has into atma. I know plenty players who never saw their first mirror till 150+. T7 can't be beat by most players; if they really wanted to learn it, complete t5+6, and save up the 1250ToS; it would surpass ~15hrs it takes to get an atma wpn(mine took ~23hrs/~1100 fates). Bad pick up ppl and ppl without weapons winning mirrors/sands, could easily increase your frustration on levi much worse then atma, ntm Ramuh is only i100 and going to be a rare(mirror droprate). Though SE does say to wait until launch day as these things might change, and with everyone in there mom running around with an i110 weapon in 2 days from ct + hunts it's going to make all those i100 weapons moot. so if SE is smart we will see ramuh with an i105 weapon, mirror drop rate increase, and ramuh weapon not as rare as a mirror.

I spent a whole week trying to get my ATMA.. and I've only managed to gather just three ATMA Peices... Since then from that point I just gave up. I don't know what i'm doing wrong but I've haven't had any luck in gathering ATMA peices at all.

Thats the thing! Im not counting on luck to get me a weapon lol and 60 fights to get ONE object doesn’t sound good.. AT all. It could be better to be able to buy weapons with mythology or soldiery tombstones(minus unidentified allagan tombstones).

Today was almost the same. I spent almost 10hours trying to get the 2 atma crab, made 98 fates and just earned one atm. I just hope my last 9 atmas don't take so much like yesterday, today...

Well they nuked everyone's hard work with darklight and level 90 gear as well. What about that player base? The one that had to run WP 100 times to get full gear set? The bottom line is Atma as it is now isn't fun. It just forces people to play hundreds of low level fates. I was working on it but it got really boring really quick. I don't know one person that's had fun or enjoyed atma farming.

The reward just is NOWHERE near enough to warrant this much effort, time, frustration, disappointment, boredom and repetition people are having when all that time and effort could have used better elsewhere..

Wait till the atma books or maps T_T maps are 800 myth each and you need 75 of them imo that's total bs 16 brayflox hm for 1 map or you could try your luck with fates again same drop rate as atma but you need 75 this time

Thats STILL leaves the problem its just for ONE weapon. Not like its a weapon for each book you get. 40- something hours?! God would probably want me to spend most of time doing more important things like showing love to sibling, friends(in game and real life) and parents! Think about it for a second……… What could you have done with differently with a least 5-10 out of 40 hours?

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Originally Posted by yuuria

Wait till the atma books or maps T_T maps are 800 myth each and you need 75 of them imo that's total bs 16 brayflox hm for 1 map or you could try your luck with fates again same drop rate as atma but you need 75 this time

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You mean Animus? 75 for each weapon? That means I need like... 150?!

Finally I have the 2 atma crab