New player question: elitist?

I bought and started play this game about a week ago and I love it. The community in-game seem nice and helpful as I do dungeons and such.
I was on forum sites before I got the game to see how the community is. I seemed sort of elitist, but got it anyway, and have no regrets. I was wondering if that's something I should be concerned with later now. I am going to get irritated with people like this regularly or it is just the 1%? I guess I would be a casual because I play to have fun.:)

Are you asking if you will encounter a lot of elitists when you get up into the higher levels? (Sorry for the misunderstanding, my mind isn't at 100% today..then again it never is lol)

Forums make every problem that occurs once in a while in a game into an end of the world situation that happens any time any one logs in. You will meet elitists, you will meet casuals, you will meet those in between and some of each of these three groups will sometimes be jerks. Not much different than anywhere else.

Tanks generally catch a lot of flak when something goes wrong though (even if it is someone else's fault). The game puts a lot of pressure on tanks to perform and the community is generally hyper-critical about tanks and healers (tanks most-so). Don't let those comments get you down and keep in mind that you'll shut them up if you stick to the game.

So, given the fact your main class is gladiator, I would expect many more elitist comments questioning your skill, parentage, and self-worth. I'm afraid players will always complain about the tank first, the healer second, and ignore the dps.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Are you asking if you will encounter a lot of elitists when you get up into the higher levels? (Sorry for the misunderstanding, my mind isn't at 100% today..then again it never is lol)

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Yes, that's what I mean.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the replies everyone.

For the most part, people who enjoy playing the game are playing it (and helping others), while many of those that don't enjoy it as much are giving the forums a negativity buff (generalization, not everyone here is a hater ^^).

That said, your best bet is to find a nice FC with nice people early in the game. If you don't, you are guaranteed to experience a skewed perception of the community as you are introduced to end-game. In particular, the storyline quests requiring 8 people working together (about the time you reach level 47-50) will either make or break the game for you, depending on if you run it with friends or not.

Wow, 8 people? Yeah, I should look into joining a FC.

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Originally Posted by Anova

Tanks generally catch a lot of flak when something goes wrong though (even if it is someone else's fault). The game puts a lot of pressure on tanks to perform and the community is generally hyper-critical about tanks and healers (tanks most-so). Don't let those comments get you down and keep in mind that you'll shut them up if you stick to the game.

So, given the fact your main class is gladiator, I would expect many more elitist comments questioning your skill, parentage, and self-worth. I'm afraid players will always complain about the tank first, the healer second, and ignore the dps.

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This 1,000,000%.

It's also why I believe dps outnumber tanks and healers 10 to 1. If SE can fix this, they can fix a lot of issues at once.

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Originally Posted by Jamez82

This 1,000,000%.

It's also why I believe dps outnumber tanks and healers 10 to 1. If SE can fix this, they can fix a lot of issues at once.

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That's something the community can really fix themselves. Don't blame someone else if you make a mistake. That's not the devs fault, that's the community. lol

Yes, a lot of players circumvent the problem by avoiding PUGs as tanks and only take the role when playing with friends. It unfortunately means that tanks are still very rare in public games.

Anyway, there tend to be more elitists at higher levels. Most will comment on gear or how big of a mob you can pull without dying, but all those can be accumulated with time and experience. A lot of the dungeon tricks and trials are just about learning the mechanics. Watching how other tanks do things (using a video or on a dps/healer alt class) is probably the easiest way to improve. If you have a good fc or friends online, they can also point out various tricks that may suit your playstyle. Just take your time and have fun. Eventually, you'll find that only 1 or 2 people every week is actually saying something half-legitimate while everyone else is just posturing.

If you have any specific questions, or if the pressure gets too much, feel free to bring them up on the forums. The tank and healer subforums have some amusing horror story threads and a sympathetic audience for that purpose.

There are a bunch of them in the game and all I suggest is that you ignore them. Remember it's not you it's them.

The main thing to remember is play your job well, then you don't ever meet these "elitists". As long as you're doing well, then no one will ever pull you up, and you won't see the people who complain you're doing bad because you're not doing bad. Simples :).

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Originally Posted by Ihm

The main thing to remember is play your job well, then you don't ever meet these "elitists". As long as you're doing well, then no one will ever pull you up, and you won't see the people who complain you're doing bad because you're not doing bad. Simples :).

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That's true, however, but if you don't have much game experience from previous games you somehow will be "bad" in the beginning (high level dungs etc.). So I recommend, if you are too afraid of getting much critic watch some video guides or read. Which I totattly recommend for going into high level guildhests or raids (especially as a tank =)).

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Originally Posted by Cram

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Tbh, you don't really need to read many external sources to be a decent player. Pay attention to what the game says in its help, tooltips and tutorials and that itself will make you a better player. Unfortunately people skip everything, ignore all of what the tutorials say (Especially the guildhest notification), hit level 50, and are completely idiotic and clueless. You can start reading around the subject over time and more so at high level to learn the specifics on "perfecting" your play.

I mean crap, the GLD quest line teaches you how to tank, the CNJ quest line teaches you to backline and heal.

There's really no excuse to not have a decent understanding of whats up if you're actually taking in the game when you're playing it.

Slightly offtopic rant there.

Everyone plays to have fun, everyone...
...some really do consider math, lore, game knowledge, dancing, perfect avoidance, or whatever activity they are doing in game fun.

The way I look at it is the difference is scheduling your playtime moves you along one line of the graph, and how serious you take your performance moves you along another, while how you interact with others moves you along a third. Unfortunately others have mislabeled the graph as casual to hardcore along at least two of those lines ;)

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You aren't going to get along with everyone you meet. Just brush it off and do your part to make the community better.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

What everyone said. But what is your definition of an elitist? Someone one like: omg your gear is weak I sm the best blah blah? As I've ran many instances where some one offers suggestions to a player to better the party add a whole, and then said player gets offended and goes ona rant. Dps was my first job and when I began tank and hlr classes I welcomed suggestions. As I also give them out when I see room for improvement. It's just aggrevating when suggestions are rubbed off causing wipes or what not . Example : running a dungeon and our tank appears to be made of paper bcuz of the dmg they were taking, I checked his gear and it was very low so I figured new player. we all pass on tank gear to help this person. But they refused to equip it and when asked why they will not change their came the elitist rants. This is just my opinion to each his own

Suggestions are always fine with me. I just don't like it when you're fine and they're like, oh you don't have the most bestest gear ever, noob!, blah blah, your stats are bad...etc...

there are always people who think they are better than everyone else, so yes

you just need to be discerning enough to recognize when someone is actually better than you or when someone has delusions of grandeur

One reason I havent touched tank and probably never will is because of all the hate towards them if you mess up. I was talking to one of my fc members and they were telling me about how bad they get treated by the lvl 50's in his dungeon runs as he is a low lvl tank, It's crazy. One run he even got cursed out and harrassed by a pc player calling him ps4 trash. As a fellow ps4 player I cringe for the day I get treated like that by a pc player. Now not all are like that. I have encountered very helpful pc players helping out new tanks and myself when I was starting my healer. Sorry if this was a bit off topic lol

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Originally Posted by Kogami

I was talking to one of my fc members and they were telling me about how bad they get treated by the lvl 50's in his dungeon runs as he is a low lvl tank, It's crazy. One run he even got cursed out and harrassed by a pc player calling him ps4 trash. As a fellow ps4 player I cringe for the day I get treated like that by a pc player. Now not all are like that. I have encountered very helpful pc players helping out new tanks and myself when I was starting my healer. Sorry if this was a bit off topic lol

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I hope your friend reported that player for the harassment. The more jerks like that that SE can get rid of, the better it'll be for the rest of the playerbase.

But as you yourself have seen, there are a lot of nice and helpful players as well. And luckily, they far outnumber the obnoxious jerks. People discuss horror stories of bad players they've encountered, but we shouldn't take that as evidence of such cases being common.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I hope your friend reported that player for the harassment. The more jerks like that that SE can get rid of, the better it'll be for the rest of the playerbase.

But as you yourself have seen, there are a lot of nice and helpful players as well. And luckily, they far outnumber the obnoxious jerks. People discuss horror stories of bad players they've encountered, but we shouldn't take that as evidence of such cases being common.

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He didn't get a chance to. Guess he didn't know how to at the time. If I ever encounter anyone like that I will be reporting them for sure.

Only thing I encountered so far is just randoms that dont listen to the rest of the group and run off to die over and over

Generally speaking though, the earlier levels are fine. But endgame is a little saturated with nasties. I dont really want to use the word "toxic" again that has been circulating since the start of the game, but the endgame community can generally be seen as "toxic" yeah.

I've only run into one so far and I'm a 41 BLM.

Worst I've run into at earlier levels are level synced dps that like to push the limits of what I can do as a (admittedly) brand new tank. It's a little stressful in the moment, but 3/3 comms so I must've done ok. There's a bit of rage thrown at my high level heal game, but I've had bad days and good days, and 'typically' people are pretty understanding. It should be noted that I generally don't play with folks who obnoxiously demand speed runs... While I'm not opposed to speed runs perse, demanding ppl are their own red flag, IMO.

I ran into a group tonight in garauda ex...who demanded that i leave because of 2 accessories. We never even played ...I made them wait the 5 minutes before the system let them kick me. I was playing with my i89 bard.

Wow...I'm a little scared now lol

I'm a lv50 war i get flak for everything from the "elitists" but i really dont care. There was a garuda run i tried several times with the same healer who kept giving me crap, I pretty much gave it back to him after he got mad at the whole party (3rd party wipe) about how no one does their jobs right with "if you healed me instead of touching yourself we wouldnt have this problem" everyone else laughed he rage quit. Yes its annoying we all have to deal with these uptight gamers that ruin things but dont let them get to you. Let them cry and whine and just play how you want, same as if youre pc or console who cares.

I also still have yet to do end game with ultima and such and honestly dont want to due to the "hard core gamers". I just like to have fun and this is the first final fantasy i actually enjoyed since 3 on snes (yes i know its 6 but snes it was 3 for NA).

Its such a waste that others ruin something that is fun and make it a chore.