Dear all Free Companies

Please check for any submitted applications sent to your FC and approve or deny those requests to join your Free Company.

I have been in and out of many FC’s before and I’ve found from experience that no matter what kind of FC it is, they all neglect to look at the applications sent by players willing to join them. Days, weeks go by and the same applications are still clogging the members list of our Company. This is getting ridiculous now.

When someone sends an application, they forfeit the ability to join any other Free Company, they cannot be invited, apply to, or create a FC. They are tied downed by their obligation to the FC they applied for. It is good courtesy to answer back as soon as possible.

If you think they’ve got what it takes to be a member, approve them.
If you think they don’t have what it takes, deny them.

What you shouldn’t do is make them wait forever, before you decide to respond. That is rude and inconsiderate.

Best regards.

If we would get a notification, that would be easier.

It doesnt even show up when you open the FC window.

So, calm down.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

If we would get a notification, that would be easier.

It doesnt even show up when you open the FC window.

So, calm down.

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It says it as plain as day: "(Person's name) has submitted an application to (Free Company's Name)" at least when you're online, otherwise I guess SE figured people would check the tab :p

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

If we would get a notification, that would be easier.

It doesnt even show up when you open the FC window.

So, calm down.

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You make an FC you know players will have the ability to apply to it. People shouldn't just be taken by the hand through everything. Asking for a notification for something so... easy... is lazy. You have the authority to approve/deny applications? Your responsibility is to check the tab. Easy as that.

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Originally Posted by Aushi

You make an FC you know players will have the ability to apply to it. People shouldn't just be taken by the hand through everything. Asking for a notification for something so... easy... is lazy. You have the authority to approve/deny applications? Your responsibility is to check the tab. Easy as that.

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Is not been lazy but if I don't know that someone apply I won't check it. We have a site in the comment for people to apply and if someone apply there I can know because the notification. There are some people that use the in-game application and don't even bother to send a /tell or something so that we can know.

So it is lazy not to check the FC application tab every minute?

What does it say, about not bothering to send a /tell to someone from that FC? Especially because most member seeking FCs shout with "please send me a tell"

How often do you guys think FC officials open the FC tab? Let me tell you, when they start a new FC action, and than they need the rights to also accept applications to check that.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

If we would get a notification, that would be easier.

It doesnt even show up when you open the FC window.

So, calm down.

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As an officer the first thing I do when logging in is check the FC window and see if there is anything new in the activity feed, its plain as day in that.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

As an officer the first thing I do when logging in is check the FC window and see if there is anything new in the activity feed, its plain as day in that.

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I'm not even an officer and this is also the first thing I always do (checking which of the fc members are on, if there is anything new and so on)

This is a serious design flaw. People who apply to a FC are really at the mercy of the FC to approve or deny their application before they can do anything regarding another FC?

This needs to be put back into the hands of the player who submitted the application. They should be able to withdraw their application at anytime and be allowed to join or apply or create another FC on their own terms (or maybe even send multiple applications at once). I don't think anything else needs to be done for the FC who has to approve or deny the applications. They can check that tab and do what they want or they should have the option to ignore it completely and not worry about negatively affecting another player by not going through in-game applications.

But I've never submitted and app nor have I ever been a FC leader so I don't know if it really works that way, but if it does, shame on the designer of that system for creating such and awkward dependency.

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Originally Posted by Geryth

This is a serious design flaw. People who apply to a FC are really at the mercy of the FC to approve or deny their application before they can do anything regarding another FC?

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the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

If you haven't even been accepted into the FC and are already getting pissed off by them, might be a good idea to withdrawal and apply elsewhere.

As for your FC not reviewing apps in a timely manner (I think that's part of what you were saying) may want to take that up with the FC leader, he or she may not be in charge of those reviews and might not have the slightest idea that it's going on.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

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I'm an officer in my FC. We received an application a few days ago from someone who had previously been in our FC. I don't know why this person left in the first place (whether it was voluntary on his part or if he was kicked for whatever reason - I was not around when it happened), but all that was written on the application was ".-." or something like that. I'm assuming that applicants can put an actual message in this place? Now, considering I had no idea why this person was applying again, I decided to wait until the right people (higher up officers than I am) were online to decide whether or not to accept this person's application. While waiting, he withdrew his application.

Really, the only reason I knew this guy's application was received was because I was online just hanging out when it came in, and I saw the message in the chat log. I would have had no idea otherwise. I usually check the FC activity when I first log in for the day, but it's usually filled with gardening stuff ("So-and-so tended to whatever garden patch"). Is there a way to get gardening stuff off that tab? I don't need to know every single time someone waters the garden.

When recruitment was still open in my FC, I would let the application linger... and for one very specific reason: there are people who join FCs and attempt to clean out anything they can from the chest. I give all of my members access to tab 3 (pots, food, etc) so there is easily a few million gil in products at everyone's disposal. I trust my members, but I don't trust random low levels that apply with generic messages like: "I want to join" even though they are a level 15 on their first job and have spoken to NO ONE about the FC or why they want to join. This may be presumptuous of me, but I have seen it happen several times -- and it's better to be safe than sorry. If I let applications linger, I'll see that they get withdrawn, and then that person applied and was accepted to another company... and then I hear about them swiping the chest and laughing about it (it's technically NOT against ToS since the FC leader allowed people of that rank to access certain things... aka, there's nothing you can do about it). That is exactly why I have taken down the ability to just apply to my FC. Anyone who speaks with us directly is more than welcome to join, but I do not just like blind invites or applications because that can lead to trouble. Whenever someone would apply with a realistic application (more than just "I want to join"), I would seek them out and chat with them.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

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Thanks for the info. Yeah with that, I really don't see a problem then. The FC can approve or deny on their whim, and the person who applied can just withdraw if they want to join a different FC.

I resolved this problem. Our applications are off.

You want in, and not be like those in DF, the silent type? SPEAK.

If you are interested into a specific FC, you can see the name's leader; if you see someone around with the same FC, you can talk to them. You can send me a Tell, have a little chat, and then we will tell you upfront if we would be pleased to have you among our ranks, for the better of the community, or not.

It feels like the cell phones nowadays: no one talks directly, everyone is sending txt msg... sigh..

So those who are interested, don't be shy: not because we are closed, that we won't allow to increase our fun with nice new members, and help each other.

That way, no need for others to check if a random applicants tried to join, without even talking, it's the same than looking at players without an FC, and sending them right off a request to join <--- now THAT is rude.

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Originally Posted by Yuki_Tokita

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On the other hand, you know who the leader of the FC you applied to is. You can help by sending this person a /tell if you see them online and mention you submitted an application.

I would just say its not that easy to notice it. If you are online you get a message sure, but otherwise you dont. If you're not regularly getting apps you might not think to check it each day. I try to check it every time I log in, but there rarely is one, then I kinda forget about it, and THATS when people start applying.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

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This is what FC permissions are for. Create a probationary rank that everyone starts at for a week.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

This is what FC permissions are for. Create a probationary rank that everyone starts at for a week.

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That is a solution we considered, but the frequency at which we'd receive these 'fake' applications grew to be just too much. I made the decision to just turn off applications completely. If anyone wants to join, they can just whisper one of us or ask the person they meet in the FC how to join.

So how to set up the Rank, someone gets when he joins, either I am blind or it just isnt that obvious ... just putting that here because it got mentioned

I added a "recruit" rank for members to automatically go into when they joined, but the default appears to be "member" then you have to promote/demote to "recruit" when they join, which I don't like, as there is immediately a guild message and I feel it must make the new member feel uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

As an officer the first thing I do when logging in is check the FC window and see if there is anything new in the activity feed, its plain as day in that.

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This only works if you don't have a garden because then your entire FC history is plants being watered/fertilized.

There's no reason why there should not be a notification especially since it gives you a message if you are online. Hell even highlighting the applications tab somehow so you can notice it would be an improvement.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

This only works if you don't have a garden because then your entire FC history is plants being watered/fertilized.

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We have some very avid gardeners and I can still see what's going on, the log goes back 3 days.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

If we would get a notification, that would be easier.

It doesnt even show up when you open the FC window.

So, calm down.

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It is oh so hard to click on another tab every so often? You need it easier than that?

Sounds like you took your own words and calmed down so much you don't want to even be an officer in the FC you are apparently a part of.

:O Actually, it would be awesome if, upon logging in, the FC leader received a notice of <1 application submitted>.

Our company doesn't use it.

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Originally Posted by Rosy

I added a "recruit" rank for members to automatically go into when they joined, but the default appears to be "member" then you have to promote/demote to "recruit" when they join, which I don't like, as there is immediately a guild message and I feel it must make the new member feel uncomfortable.

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What you do is set the permissions of "member" to what "recruit" has. You can even rename it. Then you can create a new "member" rank (or whatever you want to call it) with the permissions you want your normal members to have.