Alting a Sch from a Smn

So I just started FFXIV:ARR and I chose a Arc then I'm a Smn but out of each dungeon I have done I had to use physick a lot of times because the healer wasn't put forth the effort 2 heal and I have been thinking a lot if I should switch between Sch and Smn for 8 man party content depending on my fc group. I really want 2 try Sch so does any1 got some tips for me.

these r the things I want 2 know.


Which one do u recommend out of all of the end game content Sch or Whm.


Which one in ur imo is Fun Please use 1-10 scale so I can get a overall idea.


any other tips.





Thank you for ur postes and please no troll post and try 2 be nice to each other in the thread.


Thank u guys this is from Juke.

ok. first, as arcanist you should not be using physick in a dungeon unless things are *really* bad. Most times in low lvl dungeons healing is soooo easy, especially if you have a sch. Something about the way you have this worded makes me think the healers are putting forth the right amount of effort, I guess because you make it sound like this happens all the time. When I'm on SCH in a dungeon before Stone Vigil, I'm more dps'ing than healing. Anything under 30 especially Eos handles everything.

Cleric Stance is good for sch, (smn doesn't get it, or need it) obviously need to use it properly and keep people healed. In dungeons even @ 50 unless tank is speedrunning I can get away with dps'ing and healing solely via lustrate (which is not affected by cleric stance)

SCH and WHM have their advantages for endgame, but SCH is coming out ahead, except they're complimentary; you wouldn't want 2 of either.

I haven't played WHM enough to say which is more fun, SCH can be more work if you need to place your fairy in specific places.

If you wish to play both SCH and SMN I adamantly recommend levelling 2 characters. ...but then again I think 2 characters is good for anyone who plays enough.

If you've put all of your bonus points under intelligence like people tell you to...the scholar part of arcanist is going to have more work keeping up the heals. I would suggest buying the conversion parchment from the grand company. Reset at least 15-18 of the total into mind. It will gimp the summoner a bit but not so much as to make them unusable.
You can offset the rest with intelligence enhanced gear when playing summoner.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

If you've put all of your bonus points under intelligence like people tell you to...the scholar part of arcanist is going to have more work keeping up the heals. I would suggest buying the conversion parchment from the grand company. Reset at least 15-18 of the total into mind. It will gimp the summoner a bit but not so much as to make them unusable.
You can offset the rest with intelligence enhanced gear when playing summoner.

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You can't just keep tossing 10k seals every time you want to switch jobs, especially when that equates to sellable things now.

No, levelling a character's first job is easy as pie, you want to play both, do 2 characters. Make them racially appropriate to their job (dunesfolk, roegadyn, keeper of the moon for sch, elezen or plainsfolk for the smn) and you're looking at about a 35 stat gap.

And double soldiery, lockouts, etc.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

If you've put all of your bonus points under intelligence like people tell you to...the scholar part of arcanist is going to have more work keeping up the heals

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It's not that much more work honestly, you still get plenty of MND from gear. With full INT I can heal Brayflox SRs with little to no issue (Even with i80 Omnilex). What helps is having macros that chains Embrace to your ST heal skills (including Lustrate and Leeches).

If you really care about Min maxing then Alistaire is right, make an entirely separate character, other then that, full INT SCH is not that bad

The bonus point split is a one time thing usually lol. I haven't met anyone who's done it twice.
Tbh I deleted my alts at endgame because having more than one character was stressing me out.

I feel like this was a bad idea 2 talk to this on the forum but I am spilting up my stats

You are comparing Healing and Dpsing which really up to personal favourite...but I could give you some tip here.

1. See healers not healing in dungoen doesn't mean they are bad, it still fine as long as nobody die.
2. Lack of 30 MND is acceptable but lack of 30 INT is big (not telling you the stat allocation, it's upto your condition)
3. You can bring alt to T6-7 or lower content without problem but rather focus on ur main for T8-9.
4. If you are not lv 50 yet, be SCH for faster DF que, once you got SCH to 50, you got SMN lv 50 too.

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Originally Posted by Jukebox

I feel like this was a bad idea 2 talk to this on the forum but I am spilting up my stats

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yah..thats the easiest. 15/15 split.
Its a unique problem with the arcanist class and the topic usually flips people out a bit.

I did the same thing you did, started out as SMN, and slowly transitioned to SCH later. SMN definitely needs the boost more than SCH does, so I'd say keep your points in INT.

Even without the extra 30 Mind, I've healed T5/Levi EX with no issues on my SCH at i91. The main thing to being a successful SCH is to have your fairy on Obey, and use her abilities as if they were your own.

30 vit, profit

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Originally Posted by Jukebox

I feel like this was a bad idea 2 talk to this on the forum but I am spilting up my stats

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Don't bother put them all in INT. You will lose ~50HP on physick and ~40HP on adlo from the 30 MND. Your SMN will make better use of those points than SCH.

That said if you want to get into a static as SCH and not SMN then switch the points to MND.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

If you've put all of your bonus points under intelligence like people tell you to...the scholar part of arcanist is going to have more work keeping up the heals. I would suggest buying the conversion parchment from the grand company. Reset at least 15-18 of the total into mind. It will gimp the summoner a bit but not so much as to make them unusable.
You can offset the rest with intelligence enhanced gear when playing summoner.

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Yeah dont do this.
Never put 15int/15mnd all you do is gimp both.

One could argue the 30 int for the SMN is more important then the 30 MND for the SCH. You dont gain as much raw healing from it, and the SCH is more about timly heals/debuffs/buffs then it is about raw healing. I can heal T6-8 just fine in on my i90 SCH that is all Myth/Allagan gear and 30 points into INT.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

...If you wish to play both SCH and SMN I adamantly recommend levelling 2 characters. ...but then again I think 2 characters is good for anyone who plays enough.

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I don't suggest level 2 char, in long run, disadvantages should be more than advantages.
unless you have 2 se accounts and you can play them simultaneously. ^^;

If you really think you'll be playing both SMN/SCH equally, on equally challenging content, then I suggest +30 INT, and don't worry about the MND loss (you really won't notice it tbh....you'll just get use to your own curing potency and learn to manage your skills/MP etc from there).

Keep in mind: This is the first and currently, only, 1 class=2 jobs role out there. And the main reason SE opted for Arcanist to be a 'branch' Class first was to be able to give us the pet dps they promised, while introducing the healer role we needed. SE knew full well, that if all things were equal (like queue times), more players would probably opt to be SMN's over SCH's and so they designed the Class and it's jobs to work in such a way that you really can switch back and forth between the two roles without too much stress. SE wanted people who main SMN, to be able to anytime they desired, switch over to SCH and do a Duty Roulette etc. and be a viable SCH (as again, SE knew the game needed more healers/people willing to heal content), So many of SCH's abilities just simply either aren't very gimped by +30 int. To be really frank, if you're worried about it, stack +Crit when and where you can to compensate as SCH's abilities shine best when +Crits happen (cosy, cosy shields :D)


Still....if you are a BiS/Min-Max type of gamer, You'll need to pick SMN or SCH, +30 the appropriate stat and stick with it. Also, if you find you've gone months without playing SMN....I'd also suggest swapping the +INT to +MND, because it's silly to gimp yourself if you don't have a reason (playing SMN often).

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

I don't suggest level 2 char, in long run, disadvantages should be more than advantages.
unless you have 2 se accounts and you can play them simultaneously. ^^;

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Like what? Getting clears more than once? Unless you need to pay for every clear you get there's no way that's true.

Only disadvantage I've ever had in running 2 characters is missing chat log logging from one to the other. ;) I wasn't speaking from theory, I was speaking from practice.

Oh and for some reason at least my PC really doesn't like running 2 at a time. I did that with me and my roommate's character while he still played and everything chugged. My PC runs about 10x the minimum benchmark score to run the game, actually probably closer to 15x considering I'm using lower settings and tested 15k ish on the benchmark.

And anyway, things are too quick to make effective use of 2 characters really, unless you run a bot on the 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

...And anyway, things are too quick to make effective use of 2 characters really, unless you run a bot on the 2nd.

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For examples,
you can make a pt when soloing Alex. map, another character just standing there as an insurance.
you can set your SCH follow your SMN then can run low level roulette for both simultaneously.

However, I wasn't speaking from practice, I was speaking from theory. ^^;

Yeah for stuff like that I run both SCH and SMN on either character. It's more serious content that gimping yourself by not having 2 matters more. Also the double soldiery, roulette bonuses etc.

As far as duo'ing alex maps for safety I have no problem getting help, haven't gotten to the point of alex maps myself yet but from what I've been told even the stuff people are complaining about are really soloable. I'd get someone else more in case I 90k'd, which would generally happen on both characters when I did have 2 running.

I am going 100% Sch

Sch with all points in INT, no issues healing everything yet to do T9; ilvl 94.
This also includes solo healing primals.

I have a question pertaining to this. Does the extra MND effect your Eos/Selene heals?

Yes, the stats of Eos and Selene are influenced by those of the Scholar. To what extent I can't say, but you can observe the HP pool and heal power change with your gear and stats.

Honestly, from experience, the stat points you allocate don't have a make or break difference. You can mess those up, not be ideal and still be just fine in any class. You aren't maximizing what you can do, but that's not the name of the game. Can you get the clear, that's the question you need to ask. Scholars with all their points into INT can clear any dungeon just fine, just the same as summoners with all their points in mind can clear any content just fine. I say go for a split, you aren't gaining or losing enough from either and your gear more than makes up for the difference.
Unless you want to super number crunch and whine about missing 10-20 points of damage or healing (which does NOT make a big enough difference to break you) then go with your gut. Buy the reset item from your GC and test it out for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

I did the same thing you did, started out as SMN, and slowly transitioned to SCH later. SMN definitely needs the boost more than SCH does, so I'd say keep your points in INT.

Even without the extra 30 Mind, I've healed T5/Levi EX with no issues on my SCH at i91. The main thing to being a successful SCH is to have your fairy on Obey, and use her abilities as if they were your own.

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This. If you play both. Go full int, can easily heal every 8man stuff up until T5/Levi ex (no experience on healing T6+ cause I'm not sch main in our group)