Need roll not possible.

I have absolutely no idea of where to post this, so this place seems to be as good as any other.

just did a dungeon and I couldn't roll need on any of the items that I would think I could.

For example, gear that were for Disciple of War, no other class requirement.
2-3 items of that type, and none of them I was able to roll need on, only greed or pass.

http://i.imgur.com/jvRoGAq.jpg

as can be seen in the picture, I would think that I should be able to roll need on that shield, but I can't. Only greed and pass.

Does anyone have an idea as to why this it, have I missed something, changed something I shouldn't have?

I believe if it's not class specific you can't need it but neither can anyone else so you're not at a disadvantage. As go higher in level everything pretty much gets class specific and you'll be able to need on gladiator/paladin gear.

It is because of the stats on it Mind, Spell Speed, Int, Determination are caster traits so those are the ones that would be able to roll need. Why would you want that for a tank class? It is clearly a spell caster shield.

The items with no class listed would also go by the stats, if it is heavy on caster stats then those classes can roll need, it the stats are heavy on the war side then those can roll need.

You're a gladiator, a tank, that is a caster shield in the picture. With some of the disciple of war stuff, it's meant for dps DoW not tanks once again, so you can't need on those either. The actual tanking items you can need on.

As others have said, that's a caster shield, no strength on it, patheticaly low block rate and strength, lower vitality compared to tank shields at that level also. You mentioned other gear you could not lot on, check the stats on armour, DPS gear has low defence stats that are equal, DRG gear has lower magic defence than defence. There are some exeptions to this mind.

Tank gear split off at lv15, all DPS gear is still rolled into one set at that level but is still labeleed DoW, most low level or generic caster gear is labelled as all classes.

Mrhappy?

I believe like the others said the stats are important to casters so while a gld/pld can equip it, they don't "need" it.

I've been leveling a drg and have ran into a few items I can equip but I can't need on, I assume because the stats were vit, parry, ect.

Just because you CAN equip a piece, doesn't mean it's made for you. Tanks CAN equip a lot of lower defense DPS gear, and most caster gear is "all classes"

its the same for the dungeon accessories as well, tanks can only need on hoplite/darklight of fending regardless of the all classes equipment designation. i always thought that was SE way of showing people what gear works best for your role, which seems to have been completely tossed aside with ilvl requirements and people just straping on whatever they can to meet said requirement. been seeing far too many dps and healers using tank accessories just to bypass the ilvl requirement then wonder why the tank dies after not being able to heal and kill mobs properly

It's quite clear the stats are for a caster, I never wrote that I wanted that shield. I wrote that I couldn't roll need on it.

I've always looked at the item before deciding what to roll on it in other games.
So when I see GLA on it, I would assume (wrongly) that as a gladiator I could roll on it.

The same goes for GLA wirh strength and other stats I can use, but it would seem that they are deemed dps stats and as a tank I can therefor not roll on them.
So this then explains why I couldn't roll on any other GLA gear or disciple of war gear since they had a stat on them that is dps and not tank.

That's good to know, but would have been nice if it was made clear to you in game.
Maybe it is, I've just not seen it.

edit : Thanks to the people the explained it, and not so much to those whos post makes no sense.

Imo, if it list GLA and PLD they should be able to need it. I'd post it in bug section.

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Originally Posted by Erendis

Imo, if it list GLA and PLD they should be able to need it. I'd post it in bug section.

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No point, its not a bug. Its not tank gear, so a tank can't need it. But its still a shield so they can equip it, that is all those class listing on gear is telling you, wo can equip it.

Going by your opinion, any DoW would be able to Need on almost anything(including Mage gear_, regardless of being Tank or DPS, while any DoM would be able could Need on only Mage gear but with no difference between Healers or DPS.

Most of your gear is dragoon gear and not meant for tanking. Try to find gear that has parry and VIT. This will increase your survivability. Not all tank gear has parry so also check the defensive stats. If a higher level item has lower defense this is likely because it is dragoon gear. All you jewelry at this level should have parry and VIT.

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Originally Posted by mrHappy

It's quite clear the stats are for a caster, I never wrote that I wanted that shield. I wrote that I couldn't roll need on it...

edit : Thanks to the people the explained it, and not so much to those whos post makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by mrHappy

It's quite clear the stats are for a caster, I never wrote that I wanted that shield. I wrote that I couldn't roll need on it.

edit : Thanks to the people the explained it, and not so much to those whos post makes no sense.

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You can't roll need on a piece of equipment that is not suited for your class, it seems you already knew why you couldn't need on it but were just attempting to be a lootwhore. If you were able to roll need just because you can equip it casters and healers would bitch up a storm as generic mage gear is all classes, also have fun getting accessories you actually need.

The shield itself is not important. That was just used in the screenshot since it was the item dropped from the last boss.
Meaning that I could take the screenshot like I did, without wasting the groups time doing so.

I didn't want that shield, I couldn't care less for it since it was clearly for a caster. So I had no intentions of rolling need on it.

The question was about the greyed out need button, since I didn't get that the game displays all classes that in theory can equip the item.
Had it only displayed the classes that would actually benefit from the stats, the casters, I would never had thought that I had stumbled onto a bug or may have changed something somewhere in some options by fault that made it so that I couldn't roll on gear at all.
Especially since it also happened on all other gear drops in the instance that either displayed GLA or disciple of war on them.

I even asked the group about it, and they couldn't give an answer so I came here.

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Originally Posted by mrHappy

The shield itself is not important. That was just used in the screenshot since it was the item dropped from the last boss.
Meaning that I could take the screenshot like I did, without wasting the groups time doing so.

I didn't want that shield, I couldn't care less for it since it was clearly for a caster. So I had no intentions of rolling need on it.

The question was about the greyed out need button, since I didn't get that the game displays all classes that in theory can equip the item.
Had it only displayed the classes that would actually benefit from the stats, the casters, I would never had thought that I had stumbled onto a bug or may have changed something somewhere in some options by fault that made it so that I couldn't roll on gear at all.
Especially since it also happened on all other gear drops in the instance that either displayed GLA or disciple of war on them.

I even asked the group about it, and they couldn't give an answer so I came here.

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You're not getting it. Just because there is no restriction on strapping on a piece doesn't mean it's appropriate gear for the class, this applies to everything you're talking about. All the tool tip means is that you can equip it, not that you nessecarily should.

When I made this thread I didn't understand how it worked.

I then understood it after it was explained on page 1 of this thread. I even thanked people for explaining it.

Yet there were still people writing after that, that were only thinking that I wanted that shield.
So I made another post explaining what it did.

In earlier instances I could roll on gear that had GLA on it, gear with strength, vit and other stats.
The suddenly I come into an instance where I can't roll on any gear, even gear with those stats.
Is it then wrong to think that something had possible bugged or I had tampered with something I shouldn't.

So I came here asking for help, someone to hopefully tell if it was a bug or somehting I did. Or a third possibility.

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Originally Posted by mrHappy

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A lot of early gear has All Classes as the Required Class. That's why you were able to Need on them (that's an important distinction, you can Greed on anything, but you can only Need on gear from your Class). As you go along, gear will be more Class or Job-specific. So no, you didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't a bug, that's just how the loot rules are. You can still try your luck on Greed, for other jobs.

Well, something to keep in mind is that both tank and melee gear will have strength and vit. Tank gear typically has far higher defense though, and can only be rquipped by gla/mrd/pld/war. A fair amount of gear has lnc/drg on it as well, and I believe the system gets finicky here. That gear is typically the best for lnc/drg, but it's also sometimes the only tanky set that isn't outdated. So, the system does still need some work there.