Just wanted to start off by saying I'm still getting used to the new battle system. I find that healing a large group now on CON is rather clumsy. For example hitting Cure II then either tabbing around or trying to click on names/characters is too sluggish in a rapid fight. Macros also do not seem to help yet either for example:
/ac "Cure II" <p#>
Numbers for party members seem to stop at 5, with no way of macroing a cure for members 6,7 or 8. Also the F1-F5 key targeting also seems to neglect party members 6-8 as well.
So how has everyone else been healing? Thanks for any tips I might be missing out on.
Best methods/practices for healing a group of 8.
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07-23-2011, 04:29 AMJmeatBest methods/practices for healing a group of 8.
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07-23-2011, 04:39 AMArcell
I'm not a mage but I'm thinking a good strategy for the party to develop as a whole would be to take a little more personal responsibility for your own health, especially the war disciplines. If you're a random melee DD and you get hit by an AoE, don't be afraid to pop second wind or bloodbath+attack. If some people can take care of themselves for minor heals then the actual healer can focus more on the tank or those oh shit situations. Every bit helps here.
However communication is key here so the mages dont waste MP on someone who is going to heal themself. -
07-23-2011, 04:41 AMFatedGood luck getting randoms to follow this logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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07-23-2011, 04:46 AMAnty
it looks like finally enfeebles make more sense and are needed and many other abilities now do make sense.
People forget that there is the ability to cut mp costs to half and that a mix of para, slow, blind etc. etc. really help a lot.
Finally there will be more challenges. i didn't try out a lot so far so i'm not sure if the mp costs are a bit tooo high (they seem a bit to extreme to me so far), but well see.
Generally i welcome the changes and it finally makes more sense to have both con and thm in parties.
If the balance is right, i can't really tell so far.
Enfeebles save the day in the end and more strategy will be needed.
I think it seems incredibly tough to many people just because we had the easy-mode-fantasy-online before.
So... we need to get used to not zerging 24/7. After some days of testing i think we all can say more about balancing and if things really are a bit too tough, or just about right. -
07-23-2011, 04:49 AMWinterclaw
Rule #1 for being a healer: never over-heal.
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07-23-2011, 04:55 AMChiz
You haven't tried healing from the party/hp display panel? That's the easiest method by far from what I've seen. You can move that character pane around too, just can't make it larger last I checked. You may even be able to scroll up and down with arrow keys or with gamepad but not 100% sure on that.
Just make a few macros for each heal you slot like:
/ac "Cure II" <st>
That'll bring up the selection icon, but then just click on the person's name/hp you want to heal and you auto-face your target(bigger deal with thm aoe heals) and start casting in the same click. -
07-23-2011, 05:23 AMYlferyf
If you play with keyboard, F1 - F7 work fine for targetting all your party members. I didn't realize it for the longest time but they added hotkey configuration to allow you to set F5-F8 for the rest of your party awhile ago. This will just be the way mages used to heal in FFXI. It encourages care and skill when fighting which I like.
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07-23-2011, 05:29 AMDelmontyb
I focus on using the up and down keys to navigate the party window. This allows me to highlight the party member in need and cast heal. I still have work to do on my action bar so that all my items are where they need to be, but this seems to work well for everything going on. :)
I love the adjustments, as a healer I don't feel I can zerg cure, which is nice. -
07-23-2011, 05:34 AMDreadnought
its so awesome how complicated healing is.
im not talking about MP management or enmity, im talking about the direct functionality of it lol
the combination of targeting + weird action bar system + system delay make for a really tedious time. -
07-23-2011, 05:52 AMSorelNot very helpful to the OP. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnought
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07-23-2011, 05:57 AMAvaAre you using a controller, a keyboard, or a keyboard/mouse combination? I find the best way to heal is using keyboard/mouse combination, press the # for your heal, then click the player name in the party frame. This is one of the few things related to the controls in this game I have no issue with, so I wouldn't know what else to say if that doesn't work. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmeat
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07-23-2011, 05:59 AMYlferyf
Actually now that AOE heals won't be the norm, I think they need to add the player himself to the party list. Did they do that? Haven't had much time to play so far...
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07-23-2011, 06:01 AMJmeat
Thanks for the responses guys! I'll tinker with the F# keys. I'm all keyboard!
Edit: Hmm Interesting. F6 is unmappable?
Edit2: Never mind, apparently was a bug. "Restoring defaults" fixed the F keys.
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07-23-2011, 06:03 AMShaiYeah, I had a hard time for my first month or so adjusting to the needs of parties, but once I got "click on the name" to cast I was doing a lot better. I hate using a Mouse for this game, though, but in that situation I just can't get anything better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnought
I used F1-6 in XI to do the same thing, but I still can't target the last few members of my party this way - though I'm glad the Function keys finally sub-target. Too bad I got used to Mouse clicking in the meantime. -
07-23-2011, 06:05 AMShai
This would probably benefit more in the CON or THM forum, where it won't be bumped off the page by the 7000 people who don't play CON and don't give a shit about this thread. :)
However, I don't go there very often so I'm glad I found it. It's interesting to read how others heal - maybe even test and adapt some of these ideas myself. -
07-23-2011, 06:06 AMShaiAh see? I skipped this post. Gonna fix this right quick in my Config.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ylferyf
Nice. Thumbs up! -
07-23-2011, 06:06 AMDreadnoughtthats an inefficient work around that shouldnt have to happen. battles arent supposed to be slow enough to be able to do what your doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
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07-23-2011, 06:08 AMShaiNo, and actually one of the biggest "fumbles" for me is if I accidentally sub-target someone else when I was meaning to cast on myself. Because I am not prepared to "mouse click" myself and I'm not trained to use the Function keys as quickly anymore I'm often bumbling around like "uh! crap! where am I!" for a few seconds. Not too often, but annoying when I do it. I suppose overtime I'll do it less and less. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ylferyf
This has yet to kill me, but has caused a few moments of panic. -
07-23-2011, 06:09 AMShaiReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnought
I push #2 then click on my tank's name. Really not that long of a time.
Uh. How do you do it? -
07-23-2011, 08:25 AMDreadnought
in this game? i hit F-#key, press my spell button and it confirm. numbers 1-0 and F1-F8 are all very near eachother. my right hand controls the camera at all times. this allows me to utilize both hands as proficiant as possible.
in other games?
i hit F-#key and only hit my spell button once, there is no confirmation or sub target to worry about. if i need to target something else then i target it, i dont need a sub target to do my job efficiently.
this was not meant to be an attack on anyone just fyi. i thought you were saying you do that because the system isnt as efficient as other MMOs and so your forced to click the names.