Atma Theorycraft

I'm working with some friends, running tests on Atma's to find a pattern. Well I'm on 9 Atma's now, after around 4 hours of trying, which seems pretty quick compared to most people.

This is what I found, it's not quite a guide, but it's things we've tested and found to be pretty consistent;

• The Atma's are (obviously) signs of the Zodiac, but the game doesn't put them in order. List them in order of the Zodiac, and start with the first one down your list that you don't already have.
• They seem to drop in the first 10 fates,or after 40-50 - anything inbetween seems a waste of time. I've been doing 10 fates, if it doesn't drop, go do a dungeon then come back and do another 10 - rinse and repeat.
• As soon as one drops, go to the next one in the list and don't do anything in between - just get straight to the next area and start doing fates. I did 3 Atma's in the space of 5 fates using this method, as did a friend, so it seems reliable.

Note: I've found that Atma's are more likely to drop within the first 30 minutes-ish of logging in (supporting my theory of first 10 fates). I'm even testing logging out/in again but I've not tested that to any extent yet so couldn't confirm either way. I've also found the specific time of day to have no relevance at all, as some people have theorized.

I'd like to know what others have found and to see if people can test the above and see what they find. I'm 100% confident there is a method, even if it just increases the RNG.

Cheers.

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I've theorized that "Atma" no-longer drop and SE is simply trolling the masses that don't already have Atma weapon.

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Originally Posted by Azphel

I've theorized that "Atma" no-longer drop and SE is simply trolling the masses that don't already have Atma weapon.

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You'll hate me then. I was leveling up a GLA so I would work on a WAR with MAR. I had to "investigate" some spot on the other side of a pool that was filled with ferrel dogs and wild dodo's, all of whom were at or above my level and part of a fate. With plenty of time and a little patience, I switched my character to BRD, who happens to have her Zenith weapon available. After level synch-ing, I dispatch the entire fate in no time, and my patience paid off... Atma of the Fish drops. I then switched character, investigated and teleported out safely. One fate, one drop. It's just luck of the draw.

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Originally Posted by Azphel

I've theorized that "Atma" no-longer drop and SE is simply trolling the masses that don't already have Atma weapon.

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Its just lazy "content" design to retain subscriptions. Unfortunately, they've lost mine. I loved this game intensely for a year. No more.

Still believing in these theories? You know that the Producer said it is just random? No mystery, no scheme, no riddle. Just glorious randomness. What you found out are no findings. Just your personal stories how you got them. And it seems you were quite lucky and therefore believe in your theories. Not trying to step on your toes or trying to discourage you. It is just beyond me how one can still try to get behind something that was demasked from the Producer as pure random.

Yep, quoted from Yoshi-P, it's just luck. Finding a pattern here is about as effective as blowing on dice before you roll them or picking your birthday for the next lottery numbers.

Ah I didn't know that Yoshi had confirmed it was random (I've only been playing ~2 months). In that case, I'll take my tin-foil hat off :D

I've given up looking for atma after a fate grind I was in had a member get 3 crystals back to back. We did about 20 and from 17-20 they claimed they got the crystal. I think the random drop is broken due to the number of people looking for atma. I've attempted soloing and got nothing even after 10 fates. Being in a solo fate should in theory give you a crystal.

^^Jetstream_Fox, read my previous post. Solo fate, one fate, one drop. ^^

Happened again last night. Jumped into one fate as BRD in Central Shroud. Got second Atma of the Maiden. Only did it because I was previously trying to get XP for my GLA and couldn't even get a couple of punches before everyone had it cleared because of all the Atma farmers. Switched to BRD to get past the several Anoles without getting creamed by the minions (I like to call them A-holes) in front of the boss. No one was there, but before I could change characters, here comes the calvary. Stayed at BRD, and with the number of people, it was the typical 10 second cacophony of huh, uh, yaw, grr... and I got the drop. I don't know if I got three arrows off. Atma of the Maiden. Dang, I already had one.

Is there a rumor that if you kill more at the fate that you get more points? I see folks bitching about farming these things, but when the person who isn't even high enough level to have armor is there killing lady bugs for XP, can't folks give these guys a chance to get a couple of hits? They're trying to get XP just like you're trying to get an Atma.

There are lots of reports of atma one shots, I've only just started, I have two, the first was about 8 fates, the second was the first fate I did in the zone.

It may just be RNG, but RNG is not always particularly random, and there are ways of messing that code up such that it forms very predictable patterns or odd behavior. With as many reports of one shots as there are I'm willing to believe theres something to it.

But anyway, I don't plan on taking it very seriously, I'll just do it as I wait for queues (and being a WHM, that's not much so far)

Is there any reliable info on how to improve your odds at getting atmas? I've been at this forever, I have literally lost count of how many Fates I've done, and I have absolutely nothing to show for it. This is a travesty.

RNG is RNG. Trust me, if there was a magic method that boosted the odds by even 0.001%, people would be all over it by now. The internet is never slow for news.

Exactly if rng was not random then why have i been doing fates for the past 3 months and still don't have all of them?
The Producer had confirmed a while back that it is just random luck, no theories like times, etc. has any bearing over getting atma
I do agree this was bad design for also the reasons of low level players trying to do fates

I got 2 atmas with one shot, just going straight for the next map after a drop.

That has been answered, e.g. here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...it-s-just-luck

Hi! I know they said that the RNG is luck, but I'm beginning to think that there is a secret stat LUCK and the rng somehow goes off of that. I did my first Atma grind with not having to farm more than 4 hours for one atma. I got most of them in 30 minutes. I didn't go off the JST or anything. I just did one continent after the other. It sucked but wasn't that bad. So I started Atma grinding again for my WHM. Again, not so bad. The only one I had problem with was Upper La Noscea, five hours of grinding no drop. I logged off and the next day I went in to farm again for it and it dropped 20 minutes after the hour. At this point someone had told me about the JST theory. So I wanted to try it out. I ended up getting an atma drop 9 times out 10. I even got 2 Lion atma within 7 minutes of eachother. I thought this was pretty great. Needless to say my WHM has like 19 atma on her right now.

I thought I'd be a nice wife and help out the hubby. I had him log in and started running around on his character to farm some atma. In five hours only 1 atma dropped. I had 4 on my character by this time. His character also tends to get the worst rolls where I end up with a lot of rolls 70+. Anyway, this is why I think there might be a hidden stat based on luck. I know in ffxi the gear had hidden stats, but I'm thinking in ffxiv the characters might have hidden stats. This is just me guessing. I think it might be based off your nameday or deity that you choose in the beginning or there's a secret pair of dice rolled at the character creation screen that you don't see and that's your number. I just tend to have a lot of luck with drops, and noticed doing the exact same thing on my husband's character as I do on mine the results are completely different. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has heard of any such theories? And do you notice that your luck is better/worse than an FC mate?

Once again, there's no magic bullet to Atma RNG, otherwise everyone would have done it and the whining would have stopped.