Stat Points by Job (SCH/SMN Primary Example)

Hello All,

Has anyone seen from SE any plans to separate the stat point allocation by Job instead of by Class?

I know as of now we can use Hymns, though it'd be nice to not have to or if they cost much less to purchase.

I'd be happy if:

1.) The cost of Hymns was dropped to 1,000, instead of 10,000.

2.) We could have sets of points per job, and not per class.

3.) We had the ability to just reset our stat points via an NPC in the city states, to avoid exploitation of this (IE not continually changing stats throughout your travels to suit needs) for 1,000 GIL.

yes please ! let it happen

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Originally Posted by Wizy-Taru

yes please ! let it happen

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I mean for now to ease my sanity I'm going to just use WHM for healing and run as SMN until WHM bores me too much, but it'd be awesome to be able to just pick between BLM/SMN based off of the Duty or Raid, or SCH/WHM likewise. I like to utilize WHM for speed runs for example where massive amounts of mobs are being pulled at once, but SCH as a MT healer on Raids Adlo <3.

My BLM is king on speed myth farms, my SMN is king on legit raid content like coils (not to say BLM is "bad" it's just not capable of the amazing dmg sustained of SMN in single target)

You know what I would want. I would like to SE to come out and give us facts about stats example one point of Crit increase critical hit by .25% or 1 point DEX increases parry rate by .1%. How much does critical hits increase when double shot buff is on.

You stuff like that

They already confirmed an easier way to swap them is incoming.

(Please don't ask me to quote it this time, as I can't seem to find it so far)

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Originally Posted by alhandra

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LMAO This +1

I vote no....

The game needs some aspect of player choice. Too much is spelled out for you (such as what gear to wear). Play scholar a lot? Then it may be in your best interest to allocate some points to support that job. Prefer summoner? Likewise, best allocate your points to support that job.

I understand why some players want this, but part of the joy of building a character is making choices. There is already very little differentiation amongst players of the same job outside of what part of the end-game gear progression you're currently at.

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Originally Posted by rwyan

I vote no....

The game needs some aspect of player choice. Too much is spelled out for you (such as what gear to wear). Play scholar a lot? Then it may be in your best interest to allocate some points to support that job. Prefer summoner? Likewise, best allocate your points to support that job.

I understand why some players want this, but part of the joy of building a character is making choices. There is already very little differentiation amongst players of the same job outside of what part of the end-game gear progression you're currently at.

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For a game that has a big selling point of "level up and enjoy every single class!", it's kind of ass-backwards that you can't play Scholar and Summoner efficiently.

Choice is great and all, but when it goes in the opposite direction of a major selling point of the game, then that's when I have to question it.

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Originally Posted by rwyan

I vote no....

The game needs some aspect of player choice. Too much is spelled out for you (such as what gear to wear). Play scholar a lot? Then it may be in your best interest to allocate some points to support that job. Prefer summoner? Likewise, best allocate your points to support that job.

I understand why some players want this, but part of the joy of building a character is making choices. There is already very little differentiation amongst players of the same job outside of what part of the end-game gear progression you're currently at.

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I think it's more of a choice when you can choose WHM or SCH rather then "player choice" to go with WHM because you put INT in ARC.

In fact, you'll be playing more hours since you have to level both jobs and their corresponding sub classes, SE has got to love that!

Attribute points are obtained by leveling up the class, not the job. In fact, you start obtaining them before you can even unlock a job, and keep obtaining them even if you were to level up without using the soul stone, so I can see why they can't make them job-related.

However they said that they're working on a way to make it easier for us to re-set them at will. Not something I'd do every time I swap from SMN to SCH, but hey, some people may be just perfectionist enough to do it.

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Personally, I put all my ACN points into Piety. Least I know it will help both SMN and SCH.

pro tip

you will never notice a difference

Hmm I'm going a straight half/half for my smn/sch I don't have plans on doing any serious content with them anyway - still bard at heart with whm as second(and after this week should be gearing it with sol).

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Originally Posted by rwyan

I vote no....

The game needs some aspect of player choice. Too much is spelled out for you (such as what gear to wear). Play scholar a lot? Then it may be in your best interest to allocate some points to support that job. Prefer summoner? Likewise, best allocate your points to support that job.

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Do BLM and WHM share attribute points? Oh "but you levelz 2 jobs by just levelling one claz", I don't care, if I have to level SCH and SMN separate I will, but I can't see WHY I can't play both at full potential. We are talking about a healer and a DPS role, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. It's as if you tell me now that if you play PLD you can't play BRD because they share attribute points because...how was it again? "the game needs some aspect of player choice".

Sadly, it's one of the reasons you see so many BLMs and so many few SMNs. Assuming you are into healing, if you happen to like SCH more than WHM (which happens easily given how dull and boring the WHM is), if you want to play a caster class, your only viable option is the BLM. That's a terrible idea, TERRIBLE idea.

It's the class that get stat points. whatever you put on class, carries over to both jobs. you wont get points/job.
the entire point of dividing SCH/SMN, was to make you pick ONE job....with an option to swap...for a cost. Lowering that cost to 1000 seals, would be ridiculous, and make the entire point of using hymn to swap, moot.
just stick to either smn OR sch, or split it 50/50, or go all INT. SCH needs crit, more than mnd; sch is damage mitigation rather than cure-bomb. If you crit-heal 1500 with adloq, target gets 3000HP shield also. So loosing 30mnd isn't a big deal. But that's just if you're planning to play both SCH and SMN, equally. Better to just stick to one, and let the other one be *slightly gimped* it will still be very much viable.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Do BLM and WHM share attribute points? Oh "but you levelz 2 jobs by just levelling one claz", I don't care, if I have to level SCH and SMN separate I will, but I can't see WHY I can't play both at full potential. We are talking about a healer and a DPS role, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. It's as if you tell me now that if you play PLD you can't play BRD because they share attribute points because...how was it again? "the game needs some aspect of player choice".

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it's not the same thing...
Aracanist has both heal skills, and damage skills. you branch ACN into either SCH focusing on heals, OR SMN focusing on DPS.
You can't compare BRD to PLD...they have different base classes. If you want to tank, you switch the class, if you want ranged DD with bard, you need to change class.
With SCH/SMN you're the same class, so you get your stat points from the class.

It's a dumb limitation. The class system shouldn't even be here, no one uses it anyway, everyone just uses jobs. A huge point of this game is that one character can be all classes/jobs. By splitting smn and sch on one class it's proof that they won't get rid of the class system and just makes it so both those jobs can't be at their full potential if you want to play both.

And it will only get worse as more jobs are added to existing classes. Watch when/if drk becomes attached to gladiator

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

It's a dumb limitation. The class system shouldn't even be here, no one uses it anyway, everyone just uses jobs. A huge point of this game is that one character can be all classes/jobs. By splitting smn and sch on one class it's proof that they won't get rid of the class system and just makes it so both those jobs can't be at their full potential if you want to play both.

And it will only get worse as more jobs are added to existing classes. Watch when/if drk becomes attached to gladiator

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not true.
in pvp, ppl go as MRD, and GLD, because WAR/PLD, dont have any useful skills for pvp, cause you can't aggro/tank ppl.
also archer.

Just do a 50/50 split or put them all in PIE or something...

It is a redundant feature to be honest, and a prime example of how games create an illusion of choice. I'm surprised they kept this feature when cutting the fat from v1.0 but removed other great features (open world NM's, elemental wheel etc.)

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Originally Posted by alhandra

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Originally Posted by Radacci

not true.
in pvp, ppl go as MRD, and GLD, because WAR/PLD, dont have any useful skills for pvp, cause you can't aggro/tank ppl.
also archer.

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I agree with that but considering that at least 90% of the game has nothing to do with pvp, it still feels like a dead system. I would have prefered they flushed out the job system to have more customization and variety. In the end I just want to have 30 points to put on my smn and scholar separately. Instead of only really putting to use 15 of them because I very much use both jobs on a regular basis

agree with the OP. It seems like SE added a second healer, because it was needed. And rather than add a new class, they added SCH as a job to ARC.
I main SCH (i99) but am gearing up SMN as my primary alt. I am leveling WHM and BLM as well, but I just hate playing a "gimped" SMN, even if it is not a significant reduction in dps.
But I will certainly not put the points in PIE, as then I will have both jobs less than optimal. And what are we running the gear treadmill for if not to build optimal characters.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

I agree with that but considering that at least 90% of the game has nothing to do with pvp, it still feels like a dead system. I would have prefered they flushed out the job system to have more customization and variety. In the end I just want to have 30 points to put on my smn and scholar separately. Instead of only really putting to use 15 of them because I very much use both jobs on a regular basis

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The classes should have had more neutral stats and allowed a greater variety of skills to cross class. So you could make a GLD with mediocre magic skills if you really wanted to. The jobs would have been more focused. Jobs should not just get +10 to all stats across the board, instead the same number of stat points would be invested more heavily in their primary stats, with much lower cross class stats.

I think the stats should all be worth something, uniquely to each class. So if I pick VIT, my Protect and Stoneskin spells are more powerful on my targets. Right now stats are more or less just stack 30 of your main and forget.

All experimentation I've had with trying to be creative has resulted in weakening my character's intended functions.

Though I stand by my original desires, this is one quality of life change I feel shouldn't be too hard for SE to come by.

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Originally Posted by rwyan

I vote no....

The game needs some aspect of player choice. Too much is spelled out for you (such as what gear to wear). Play scholar a lot? Then it may be in your best interest to allocate some points to support that job. Prefer summoner? Likewise, best allocate your points to support that job.

I understand why some players want this, but part of the joy of building a character is making choices. There is already very little differentiation amongst players of the same job outside of what part of the end-game gear progression you're currently at.

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That stupid because Summoner and Scholar are completely two different roles and use completely different equipment. I would agree if they were both healers or both DPS then they would be more in line with other MMOs that have specification points or talent trees. The jobs are hardly specific with the class having the majority of your traits and skills.

I love the posts where people seem angry, irritated by me asking if there are any plans. This community is completely toxic, it's really kinda disgusting. If I didn't love the FF brand so much, and love it in an MMO format, I'd totally not put up with it lol.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

I love the posts where people seem angry, irritated by me asking if there are any plans. This community is completely toxic, it's really kinda disgusting. If I didn't love the FF brand so much, and love it in an MMO format, I'd totally not put up with it lol.

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Theyre toxic about it when its been asked many times before, with the same response each time, and it gets asked again.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Theyre toxic about it when its been asked many times before, with the same response each time, and it gets asked again.

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Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

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Originally Posted by alhandra

pro tip

you will never notice a difference

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You're not going to notice 30 INT on a SMN?

wat

I split my SMN/SCH stat points thusly:

INT 10
MND 10
PIE 10

Because balance. Is it perfectly specialized? No, but it ensures I don't have to buy a Hymn every time I want to change jobs. Then again, I barely touch either unless someone desperately needs a healer or a magic DPS anyway, so meh.

Though by the time Berserker comes out, I'll probably buy a Hymn and reallocate my Stat Points to 15 STR, 15 VIT instead of the 10 STR, 20 VIT I'm at now. Yay, being able to take a beating and dish one out too!

While this idea has merit, it can't work because Job aren't independent of the class they are based on. People keep forgetting that Jobs are equipped, not changed to. This means that the stats aren't allocated to the Jobs, they are allocated to the class. You could go all the way to level 50 without touching a Job and the stat allocation wouldn't change because of it. To make stat allocation only affect Jobs would require the Jobs to work like XI's in that you'd need to completely remove the class system of XIV.