Lack of LB

maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine, but I don't understand why I go through so many runs as a healer/tank class where the DPS never use the LB, not even on the last boss.

It's easy and if used properly can shave a decent amount of time off the run.

Why are people so resistant to using the LB?

because some people complain if it is used at the wrong time. If you complain enough people will stop doing it unless they are told.

I think many DPS do not pay attention on the LB bar...just remind them to use .
But don't just say "LB", as I had received a heal LB... suggest to say "DRG LB" "BLM LB" concretely.. ^^;

Was in a Cutters Cry, heals cried for LB on Chimera, BRD pops it! Super EPIC. MNK was like "da fuk..."

If you call for LB yes, please call out the melee to do so lol.

Syn

Use auto translate when shouting for LB and role :)

Pretty much everything that's been said here, either people do not notice it or the wrong person uses it. I've seen so many complaints about it that I am hesitant to use it in harder content unless I specifically see "DRG LB". Hell, I used a 3 LB on Garuda HM the other night and I had a BLM insulting me for it even though we beat her. Then on the very next run with another group I was told multiple times to do it.

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Originally Posted by Zoid

Hell, I used a 3 LB on Garuda HM the other night and I had a BLM insulting me for it even though we beat her..

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jealousy

blm wanted to use it.

I asked a summoner to use LB the other day in Wander's Palace to kill the big pull before the last boss, after not using it and we kill the group he explained that he didn't have room for it on his action bar. I felt bad for him, told him how to get more action bars and he said he knew, but played with a controller and doesn't want to swap bars, so he just loads 8 skills/macros on the first set and only uses those.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

I asked a summoner to use LB the other day in Wander's Palace to kill the big pull before the last boss, after not using it and we kill the group he explained that he didn't have room for it on his action bar. I felt bad for him, told him how to get more action bars and he said he knew, but played with a controller and doesn't want to swap bars, so he just loads 8 16 skills/macros on the first set and only uses those.

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As a controller user I don't ever have the LB on my main hotbar. I've accidentally used it one too many times because of that. So I have it on page 2 instead. It's just an RB tap away though, so no excuse not to do this.

SMN especially needs multiple cross hotbars. One for main dps spells, one for pet spells and one for less used abilities like Res, LB etc.

I ran stone vigil with a healer who would lb every time we got one bar. Even on the last set of trash right before the second boss. I asked, "why do you do that?" No response. 5 minutes later, "I don't know. People just like to btch." Then he says, "MT." We had a melee on the group too. :p

There is never a reason for a dps not to use it nearly every time it's up. Using it at the wrong time is better than not using it at all. As long as the damage isn't wasted it doesn't matter if it's on a boss or a trash pull. Time is time, and using it decreases the time it takes to complete a dungeon, period.

Well, you wouldn't want it being used on a mob near a boss if it means no 2 LB during the fight. I don't think it's worth using on mobs, but then again, I haven't gotten to the Crystal Tower or Coils yet so I don't know what people do in there. As for the content I have done so far, it's not needed. Unless your dps is so low you can use LBs and still have enough time to generate another during the boss fights. At that point, though, you'd probably run into other issues.

It just depends on knowing your role and assessing the situation. The general consensus, though, is to wait for party lead to announce when to use it. As someone pointed out earlier, don't just say 'lb' cuz then you're going to confuse peeps who may not fully be aware of their role; for example, a BLM using their lb on a single target is going to pale in comparison to a DRG or MNK; whereas, if you need to destroy multiple targets (i.e. Ifrit's Nails) then it's almost mandatory for ranged DPS to do it.

When i see the dps being hesitant about LB i tend to jump around spamming the limit break animation till they get a clue.
Cuz when you jump and press it, the sound will go off / the light effects but upon landing it will be canceled. If the dps still won't use it then i'll just help myself and use it and do jazz hands or fart of life. Lol

I think it's because in some situations the limit break isn't really needed so people just go on through. This is just for dungeons mind you, but for the most part you don't need the Limit break to take out a boss and to me it's silly to wait for it to fill up on the final 2 / 3 % just to do some finisher move that you don't really see in the first place b/c the animation fades out from the CS you get when you beat the dungeon.

I usually heal and am getting into tanking, so for me I've recently been requesting LB he used at more off point times for all jobs, I don't think the limit break should be reserved for damage dealers only and definitely not for a boss that you're taking down like it's a normal trash mob anyways. But bottom line? is that it's just not needed most of the time, dungeon wise.

Being a MNK, I'm pretty much always using the Limit Break in the group. I'm so reluctant to do it because despite knowing dungeons thoroughly, I don't want to waste it. Using my normal tactics for dungeons, I have received destructive criticism on how I use the Limit Breaks, even though we end up saving so much time on finishing something like a mini-boss.

I have yet to see a run where using LB has shaved more than 30 seconds off the dungeon at best.

Besides, I'm more concerned about the number of tanks/healers that never use LB when doing so could save a wipe.

Because the average DPS is brain dead, their like robots. Most of the time you have to literally tell them to use it or they let you carry them.

Almost always a waste on trash.

During 2 bar battles, it's best to wait till the second bar is full. Using a bar right away will prevent you from having a 2 bar limit later in the fight.

There are certain parts of a fight where it's better to save the limit break for.

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Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono

I have yet to see a run where using LB has shaved more than 30 seconds off the dungeon at best.

Besides, I'm more concerned about the number of tanks/healers that never use LB when doing so could save a wipe.

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Eh. When the tank is low enough that you fear a wipe, he'll be long dead before your limit bar cast finishes. The healing limit is pretty useless and we all know how useless the tank limit is.

I tend to try to wait when we're in raids in case things go a bit hectic. Sadly, other dps i've seen just use it the moment it reaches 3 or so..

That I get and don't get. Use it when it's up mentality. Depending on the fight I can see the use to use it early, maybe to push a phase. For the most part though on my DPS classes, I chose to use it at the 20% mark or lower.

Just my 2g

Syn

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Originally Posted by Yuki_Tokita

Because the average DPS is brain dead, their like robots. Most of the time you have to literally tell them to use it or they let you carry them.

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Yeah, because the average tank/healer is always an awesome player ... :rolleyes:

Stereotyping much?

Have seen more than enough braindead tanks and healers for sure. Bad players are just bad players, no matter what. Them playing a tank/healer doesn't magically raise their skill level. And there are loads of braindead players spread out across all classes.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

That I get and don't get. Use it when it's up mentality. Depending on the fight I can see the use to use it early, maybe to push a phase. For the most part though on my DPS classes, I chose to use it at the 20% mark or lower.

Just my 2g

Syn

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If you don't need it for a certain phase (Bray HM to avoid the last bomb) then using it as soon as it pops will have the same effect as waiting. You might not get the kill with it from using it early but it is also possible that you will get another LB if you use it right away.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

Was in a Cutters Cry, heals cried for LB on Chimera, BRD pops it! Super EPIC. MNK was like "da fuk..."

If you call for LB yes, please call out the melee to do so lol.

Syn

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I'm sorry but for 95% of fights in this game, dps is the one to use lb. I agree with the OP, having to remind dps to use the lb is like reminding a tank to hold threat. It's their job. Dps doesn't even really have any real responsibility it most fights other then to simply do damage(coil being one of the few exceptions...).

^ A thousand times this.... I can't tell you how many times I've watched a dps hold on to an lb like it was a super finisher in Street Fighter......FYI, there will be no sunburst effect when you kill the boss with an lb, that is all....

Too lazy to use it most of the time.

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Originally Posted by blackdays

Too lazy to use it most of the time.

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Tru, I often times find it to taxing to press a button..........

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Originally Posted by Yonko

If you don't need it for a certain phase (Bray HM to avoid the last bomb) then using it as soon as it pops will have the same effect as waiting. You might not get the kill with it from using it early but it is also possible that you will get another LB if you use it right away.

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Good point, but even now, most of the time you don't need to save it for the bomb. If the DPS is good enough through the duty, I tell em to use it on the boss before that third bomb phase. He dies you win, no big bomb.

As for getting another LB I can see that, however that takes a bit of time. On a longer fight it would be a good idea, T2 Enrage comes to mind. Pop LB soon as the program executes, then by 20ish percent you have another to finish em off. Those situation call for specific "tactics" of LB use.

For most runs, using a LB right when it pops might not be the best. Guess it depends on what you are doing.

Syn

I was doing small duty roulette today and a level 50 drg was in the group for Toto-rak. Go through first boss, LB was full and not used. Get to 2nd boss, bar still full and I say:

"hey drg, how about using LB?"

"No"

"Why not?"

"Best to save it for 2 bar"

"you do know that it will fill up between now and the last boss, and the 2nd bar doesn't open until that fight right?"

"..."

"how do you get to 50 and not know that?"

ugh

makes sense to use it asap unless its actually needed for a certain moment

lb3 followed by lb1 gotta be better than sitting on a lb3 for 2 minutes

most fights you'll be wanting to use it to make things easier at some point, but if its purely dps.. don't sit on stuff

Or if your high enough dps boss is dead before bar is even filled ;)
But i do agree lb just makes the fight quicker and why not use it.
Now the timing on many mellee dps on the other hand, well not many know the correct time to use lb i have noticed.