Dagger AND Gun Jobs confirmed for Soon after 2.3 - don't fret!

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Don't forget Yoshi promised both Jobs.

We just have to hold out for Thursday :)

Yep! Rogue/Ninja was just a little tidbit. Let's look forward to more info soon.

Oh geez.... I pretty much just pulled a Yoshi P, didn't I? >_<

They had to keep some big announcements for Thursday too :P

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Originally Posted by Zelas

They had to keep some big announcements for Thursday too :P

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They better be: I won't be sleeping until then! muhahahaha (kidding)

Crossing fingers for the best to come!

I hate to burst some of your bubbles but thursday is all about 2.3. Its part 2, its why its labeled as Part XV

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Originally Posted by Zelas

They had to keep some big announcements for Thursday too :P

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There wouldn't be any real point in having another LL if they told us everything in one day, that's the way I look at it. I'm remaining optimistic but I still see them giving us something more in Thursday.

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

Yep! Rogue/Ninja was just a little tidbit. Let's look forward to more info soon.

Oh geez.... I pretty much just pulled a Yoshi P, didn't I? >_<

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A-Are you really Yoshida pretending not to be Yoshida?

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Originally Posted by Legendlives

I hate to burst some of your bubbles but thursday is all about 2.3. Its part 2, its why its labeled as Part XV

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This this this...

I'm not holding any hope for musketeer anymore...

Had the chance to show it WITH Rogue/Ninja. Just like how they had the showcase video for ACN/SMN/SCH (3 new 'roles', mind you, rather than 2). 2.2 storyline had Rogue/Ninja written all over it with animations from the class itself (hinted AoE ability during the CS). The question was "any new classes/jobs?" in the first place, so why waste time answering that question again two days later?

Musketeer has nothing showing it's coming other than the icon and NPC 'everyday training' animations which showcase nothing of it's class. Not to mention Limsa has it's 'third' guild now... which is 'not' musketeer.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Thursday will be all about 2.3, and a recent interview at 2p.com basically says "no musketeer until after rogue because pvp."

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Aka we only have the manpower to include one new class per year...

I have a feeling that summary was overzealous about what was actually said...

While I'm certain I recall something about a gun class I can't find it in live letter 14 or the last nico event.

If someone can dig it up it would help.

http://2p.com/6988278_1/About-Rogue-amp-Ninja---Final-Fantasy-XIV-A-Realm-Reborn-Interview-at-E3-2014-by-flamedust.htm

They explain there why Gun class wasn't announced. :/

Edit: Same interview Llen mentioned. ^

I sure do hope so, releasing just one new class/job is better then zero, but two would be better as it would give people more options for diversity. :)

I'll remain in the uncertain part until a offical trailer of the Gun class is revealed first.

If it true then yeppie! I can finally play a Gun class.

If not ah well that gives me time to train Rogue/Ninja and gearing up again.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

A-Are you really Yoshida pretending not to be Yoshida?

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このようなナンセンス! お楽しみに...

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I'll remain in the uncertain part until a offical trailer of the Gun class is revealed first.

If it true then yeppie! I can finally play a Gun class.

If not ah well that gives me time to train Rogue/Ninja and gearing up again.

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They seem really concerned with keeping things balanced, so to me releasing 2 dps classes (1 ranged, 1 melee, and it's not looking to be simultaneously unfortunately) would be a way to keep things balanced, dps-wise when it's all said and done. Obviously 1 melee in the next patch or 2 would leave us with 3 ranged jobs, 3 melee jobs. The future patches could bring at least another dps (I'd put my money on a gunner class, just for the sake of balance and the demand for it) as well as a tank and healing job with the expansion.

Rogue/ninja are 2.4 (aiming for this at least, as said during e3 live letter). Gun class is likely still a bit off.

Previously from me:

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Well, from sitting in the chat for xivdb, the person running it says currently there are 2 empty slots for class/job. So atm, Rogue and Ninja are all thats coming in within the next few patches.

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The empty slots mentioned were added last patch.

I remember reading somewhere, some time ago, about Yoshi saying that since this game lacks a "scout-type class" that it would the the first to be added. Otherwise we probably would have got Red Mage and Blue Mage first. Just be patient.

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

I'm sure he never promised a MSK class or job so he's not making any excuses. It's just you expecting something that you shouldn't have just to get pissed.

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Maybe not MSK specifically, but he did mention gun class along with dagger. It's not surprising people expected gun too, Yoshi himself said there would be one coming soon. They seemed to have backtracked since then but that's not the same thing as expecting something we shouldn't have.

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

I'm sure he never promised a MSK class or job so he's not making any excuses. It's just you expecting something that you shouldn't have just to get pissed.

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Here are the facts:
1. XIV 1.0 alpha launched. All of the current classes save for Arcanist were out at launch, with Arcanist and Musketeer being "close to launch."
2. 2.0 launched with Arcanist, one of the missing classes. Those of us who were excited for Musketeer were annoyed, but we'd already waited two years by that point.
3. In an interview at last E3, Yoshi said that "it's not about what classes I want to put in but rather which ones I have to put in" and made mention about a gun class. He also said something to the effect of wanting to make it a dual-wielding class.
4. In a more recent interview he said that we'd be getting more classes before the next expansion. The gun class was alluded to as being "not what we all expect."
5. E3 rolled around this year and he showcased the Rogue class with one of its jobs, Ninja. No mention of Musketeer anywhere except for an interview with 2p.com where he basically sums it up as "We're doing Rogue before Musketeer because something something pvp."

So you're right, he never promised the class. Tanaka promised the class way back, but that's ancient history now. What he has done is tease the class endlessly, adding to how annoying it already is that we've had to wait for four years without even a mention of the thing. I have every right to expect the class, as does every single player who's been waiting on it since 1.0.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

So you're right, he never promised the class. Tanaka promised the class way back, but that's ancient history now. What he has done is tease the class endlessly, adding to how annoying it already is that we've had to wait for four years without even a mention of the thing. I have every right to expect the class, as does every single player who's been waiting on it since 1.0.

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You can expect whatever you want, but how is he making excuses when he never promised anything.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

I'm not holding any hope for musketeer anymore...

Had the chance to show it WITH Rogue/Ninja. Just like how they had the showcase video for ACN/SMN/SCH (3 new 'roles', mind you, rather than 2).

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They did not. They did ACN and SMN only for a long period of Time, while SCH was not mentioned for a while.

Everyone keeps bringing up when he said dagger and guns coming sooner than we thought, but he said not what we expected. EVERYONE expects musketeer, so you know...even when he announces it, it might not be musketeer, but something else entirely. I dont think he ever said dagger and guns would be at the same time, just after 2.3, but regardless, he's given his reasons on why no msk.

Not to mention, it might not be that far off anyway. He said before launch of ARR, the first expansion would be around a year after launch, and 2.4 will be the 1 year mark. The timing for 2.5 will be christmas. The plotline thus far has focused on a new primal each time, and after Shiva in 2.4 we're left with...what? The expansion, which we know will have new classes, could be around 2.5 or 2.6 time. We know they're working on the gun class so if it's not out with rogue, it'll most likely be out then, along with the tanks and healers he mentioned coming then, which IMO is much better timing.

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Originally Posted by Nero

They did not. They did ACN and SMN only for a long period of Time, while SCH was not mentioned for a while.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0e-NXPhEO8

Couldn't find the official video but I think they released that video the same time as E3 2013's time I think? Their 'promotion' at this time had the video showcasing all 3. And tbh 2-3 months of 'arcanist in development' during that beta phase is roughly the same as how rogue was teased with 2.2's patch.

Looking for this video's release also further shows that SE probably only has the manpower for one class a year...

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Anyone noticed he described gunner as a physical Black mage?

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I'd imagine so, seeing Archer is all about spamming 111112 for awhile. Then that whole crit DoT business end-game. They're damage is based on steady output... kinda like monk (but not as 'fun' as monk).

Anyone noticed he described gunner as a physical Black mage?

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

You can expect whatever you want, but how is he making excuses when he never promised anything.

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I think a lot of people are just annoyed that there are hints of a gun class in the game, but we haven't heard anything about it but really vague information. I'm sure if you've looked around limsa you've seen the banners with dual pistols on them, and that many NPCs carry a gun in a holster. Merlwyb uses guns as a weapon. It's teasing the players to the point that it's frustrating. Yoshi hasn't "promised" them, but people can't help it if they jump to the conclusion that we are getting a gun class at some point.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Anyone noticed he described gunner as a physical Black mage?

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"a class with guns which will be similar to mage class that uses magic"

Make it a healer..make it a healer..

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Originally Posted by Farah

I think a lot of people are just annoyed that there are hints of a gun class in the game, but we haven't heard anything about it but really vague information. I'm sure if you've looked around limsa you've seen the banners with dual pistols on them, and that many NPCs carry a gun in a holster. Merlwyb uses guns as a weapon. It's teasing the players to the point that it's frustrating. Yoshi hasn't "promised" them, but people can't help it if they jump to the conclusion that we are getting a gun class at some point.

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Get annoyed all you want, but don't be calling the man a lier and that he is making excuses for not adding the class or job. So childish.

Why are they factoring pvp into anything? All people use it for is wintrading and glamor gear.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

I'm not holding any hope for musketeer anymore...

Had the chance to show it WITH Rogue/Ninja. Just like how they had the showcase video for ACN/SMN/SCH (3 new 'roles', mind you, rather than 2). 2.2 storyline had Rogue/Ninja written all over it with animations from the class itself (hinted AoE ability during the CS). The question was "any new classes/jobs?" in the first place, so why waste time answering that question again two days later?

Musketeer has nothing showing it's coming other than the icon and NPC 'everyday training' animations which showcase nothing of it's class. Not to mention Limsa has it's 'third' guild now... which is 'not' musketeer.



Aka we only have the manpower to include one new class per year...

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Could be worse, he could have all but confirmed you're not getting Musketeer at all. Thief fans got that instead.

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Originally Posted by Legendlives

I hate to burst some of your bubbles but thursday is all about 2.3. Its part 2, its why its labeled as Part XV

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You speak as if he couldn't use E3 to announce another new job before he delivers his Live Letter. I'm not saying he will or he won't. I'm just saying Yoshi-P can and will do whatever he wants, espcially during E3.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Why are they factoring pvp into anything? All people use it for is wintrading and glamor gear.

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PVP always messes up PVE.. Wish it was never implemented in this game.

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

Get annoyed all you want, but don't be calling the man a lier and that he is making excuses for not adding the class or job. So childish.

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Well then maybe he should take the guild out of limsa if he isn't going to add it.. >_>
I'm with you Llen I'm a sad panda I get no guns :( *reaches out for a hug*

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

5. E3 rolled around this year and he showcased the Rogue class with one of its jobs, Ninja. No mention of Musketeer anywhere except for an interview with 2p.com where he basically sums it up as "We're doing Rogue before Musketeer because something something pvp."

So you're right, he never promised the class. Tanaka promised the class way back, but that's ancient history now.

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He's been saying for much longer that a unique stealth class would be a higher priority than a gun class considering there's already a bow class and two other ranged DPS. I'm sure a gun class is coming soon, and you insulting him is not gonna make it happen any faster.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

Well then maybe he should take the guild out of limsa if he isn't going to add it.. >_>
I'm with you Llen I'm a sad panda I get no guns :( *reaches out for a hug*

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Why should he remove it? He's still going to add it, he just didn't say when. He has never said it will be at the same time or before rogue, that's the community's own fault for making assumptions. It could still be before the expansion but after 2.4, at latest probably the expansion which should be soon ish.

And by that same logic I could say that we already have two melee damage dealers and only one range physical attacker, why add a 3rd melee ?

But saying for much longer stealth has been a priority I'm not so sure on I know he mentioned scout a few times but he also mentioned guns, dark knights and red mages as examples in other interviews. Unless of course you can link me to such an interview in which case my bad I just don't remember it being said.

I agree with it being a bit in the slap in face for people who have been waiting for a gun class since 1.0 like myself. I would not mind it not being released ( Ninja looked good btw! not hating on ninja) if you just gave us some sort of hint even a clue as to what direction you are taking it in just something, anything its been 4 years for some of us.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Why are they factoring pvp into anything? All people use it for is wintrading and glamor gear.

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They are adding frontlines in 2.3. An 8 vivo style of open battlefield pvp could bring a huge boost in the popularity of pvp. A lot of people don't like arena based pvp.

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Originally Posted by BigMac

And by that same logic I could say that we already have two melee damage dealers and only one range physical attacker, why add a 3rd melee ?

But saying for much longer stealth has been a priority I'm not so sure on I know he mentioned scout a few times but he also mentioned guns, dark knights and red mages as examples in other interviews. Unless of course you can link me to such an interview in which case my bad I just don't remember it being said.

I agree with it being a bit in the slap in face for people who have been waiting for a gun class since 1.0 like myself. I would not mind it not being released ( Ninja looked good btw! not hating on ninja) if you just gave us some sort of hint even a clue as to what direction you are taking it in just something, anything its been 4 years for some of us.

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He did mention those yes. But he specifically mentioned a stealth class as being the priority class he wanted to implement first. Then a gun class after only cause the guild is already in game.

He's also already told us the gun class wouldn't be how we thought it was going to be. And given his most recent interview sawing it would be too similar to a Mage class playstyle it seems a given that it won't be a ranged physical Dps. Hence your counter falls apart. ;)

Gun Mage :) or Machinist with elemental gun/bullets

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Originally Posted by BigMac

And by that same logic I could say that we already have two melee damage dealers and only one range physical attacker, why add a 3rd melee ?

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thats not even remotely the same thing. Damage type != playstyle.

He's saying we're short a physical ranged attacker, which I agree. I'd think that more important than a third melee dps.