Content: Showing Results VS No clear progression. ( Atma Thread)

I love this game very much, this is the only MMO I do play at the present time.

However, I do have a gripe that is irking me. That is the Atma, dun dun dunnn.. lol.

What's the problem I am having with Atma? The drop rate is absurdly low... so low to the point where, there is no clear progression ( Do X amount of something to get something).

What's the solution? Showing results! If 1 person is doing less than you and getting the same reward, it's considered unfair. Yes grinding is fine, but don't attach RNG to it. When you do that the content becomes "If your lucky enough you'll get it" not "If I'm good enough (skill wise) i'll get it."

We need results for progression not luck. ( Yes the Atma grind is getting me still stuck at 2 atma since like 1 month ago >.<.)

It'd be one thing if obtaining all the Atma's applied to all subclasses as well... but nope.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

We need results for progression not luck. ( Yes the Atma grind is getting me still stuck at 2 atma since like 1 month ago >.<.)

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I think they should add an option to get atmas by doing all the dungeons to help with the queues for dungeons. For example, you would have to do the dungeons starting from the lower level up until the last dungeon before you hit level 50 and you would get an atma.

Also, if they want to attach it to fates, make it to where if you have to do all of the big NM fates, you get an ATMA after you've killed them all. That's just a couple ideas I have, probably not the best ideas but at least it's progression. lol.

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

I think they should add an option to get atmas by doing all the dungeons to help with the queues for dungeons. For example, you would have to do the dungeons starting from the lower level up until the last dungeon before you hit level 50 and you would get an atma.

Also, if they want to attach it to fates, make it to where if you have to do all of the big NM fates, you get an ATMA after you've killed them all. That's just a couple ideas I have, probably not the best ideas but at least it's progression. lol.

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The FATEs one is pretty good, better than randomly getting one ( out of 500 tries lol)

My issue is Atma RNG is it gates away players with low play time.

I only get a few hours out of the week. So it would be nice if I can play for 30 mins and work towards Atma but the RNG makes it virtually impossible. At least with the myth books you can work on it little by little, I don't understand why the preferred design is put behind the RNG wall of Atma.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

The FATEs one is pretty good, better than randomly getting one ( out of 500 tries lol)

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I was hoping they would do away with RNG from FFXI and just do all progression but not having to do the same thing over and over. If they mix up what you have to do to get the ATMAs instead of doing the same thing for hours, it'll make the grind alot more bearable. And yes, one out of 500 tries on the same thing is no bueno. :)

Look at it this way- They don't show you progression... because the "reward" isn't progressive.... it's the same item with a different color.

Asian MMORPG... I think players from the East are really big on content like RNG Atma. And since SE probably favours their Japanese players more... I do not expect change to happen in awhile.

I totally disagree, Atma can be a pain,but if you put all your time on it you'll have it done in 2 days or 1 week if you are unlucky, if you don't have the time just try to get 2 or 3 every weekend, And once you get it it will feel way more rewarding than anything you can buy with tomes.
What you call showing results or clear progression, i call it worthless progression.

Luck is a gaming skill, just like memorization, strategy and reflexes, just don't try to change the only RNG non instanced content we have in this lobby game.

Now to be less critic and a bit more helpful, they could create some triggers to improve the drop rate, like FATE participation since the moment you entered the area, weather or time.

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Originally Posted by Renik

Luck is a gaming skill

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Um.. What? Luck doesn't even take skill, not even in the slightest. >.>

Nothing can get around the fact that Someone will be doing less work than others and still getting the same reward. It's unfair. It be different if it takes someone a long time due to skill issues. but at least you are "guaranteed" something when you do complete it. When you do a FATE for Atma you aren't guaranteed a drop, and to top it off the drop rate is absurdly low that you need strong mental will to even complete if you happen to be the unlucky ones like myself.

Dude, I know!! Atma is so hard to get! Oh wait, I'm currently working on Novus. Seriously though; the RNG does suck but it's been present in the game. Think back to Turns 1-5 and the weekly lockout. How many people do you think hoped each week that their loot would drop in those chests? They put in equal effort and didn't get armor for weeks. But guess what? They came back every week to roll the dice. Same applies for Atma. Put in the work or go home. These threads are so pointless. :/

I have one more to get (been pecking away at it since 2.2). In Lower La Noscea alone, I have logged many hours and have done well over 100 fates. I have 3 zenith to see which is best for getting gold. I have gone solo and in parties with my long-suffering FC mates. I have spent hours there in one stretch and I have gone for <30 minutes. I still do not have that one. Others who went with me now have 2, 3, and even 5 of the same atma. There is a chance I will NEVER see this atma (statistical improbability but definitely a possibility) and this should NOT be the case.
And no, getting this atma will not be 'sweeter' for the time it took. I feel bad for dragging my friends along and I despise this part of the game. I am not skilled enough to get the coil or levi weapons yet, but DO plan to get there at some point. The entire game is endgame... I'm not about to NOT try raiding. :(

Worse still... I sub SCH and have every intention of getting an atma for that class as well.

If everything is guaranteed then we are not talking about a game, we are talking about a job, this is the big problem of this game, ppl is used to "if i do x, i'm entitled to Y" and i agree, you should be rewarded for doing content, but you can't ask to have every single piece of gear obtainable via tokens or something like this, because if you want everything based on tokens, then i want tokens out of dungeons. this game is filled with lots of players with very different tastes, this wouldn't happen in any other MMO but this is a FF. the franchise has fans with different tastes and SE should respond to everyone.

I have chosen not to do dungeons because i'm bored of instanced content, so i'm suffering a slower progression. if you can have your sure atma drop, then i should have a way to gear my character w/o repeating the same instanced content over a over.