Cool, tough mechanics you'd like to see in future fights

I just thought it'd be cool to make more use of enmity. Say there is a main tank tanking boss. An off tank tanking a couple of adds. And then two special adds that can't be tanked properly but still have an aggro bar. Kinda like fireball and iceball, you have to get hit by one then the other. So the DPS guys have to manage their aggro to not get killed and kind of switch aggro meters around. For example, a DRG just got hit by fireball. But iceball targeted the whm, and no the DRG has to steal aggro while whm stops heals, and other DPS will use this opportunity to attack other enemies.

I will most likely be told to burn in hell for suggesting this, but not so much mechanics wise but more fight wise, I would love a triad fight against titan, ifrit. Garuda, like was hinted at in the Garuda cutscene, yeh it know ultima HM has them but that's more their essence, I'd love to have an arena style fight against all three at same time

Weakness and resistances like in turn 4 and all the other ff games, fire heals fire, high physical low magic resistance ect, make it a tactical dungeon.

I think random enmity resets could be cool, and really fit the game.

I was watching the E3 Sony conference yesterday and was quite intrigued by the dragon fight in the new Dragon Age trailer. Rather than just saying "something like that", I would like to point out that FFXIV has all of the components to make an - in my opinion - extremely interesting "choose your own phase" style fight. The first component would be having multiple targets per enemy; which we have, but has not really seen the light of day very often. The second component would be the fight phase mechanic that is already liberally sprinkled throughout FFXIV.

Functionally, the order which you killed the targets (body parts) would dictate the boss' behavior (phase). This could be leveraged to make a challenging, robust fight that still allowed for multiple unique party constructions. In practice, we have already seen similar mechanics from fights like T2 and T4, but the scale is slightly different and in many ways a side effect rather than the intent.

For example, let us imagine a fight with a towering clockwork abomination. In the front is mounted a large cannon, protected by a magic resistant field. The generator is above the field, but out of range. The front legs, back legs, cannon, generator, and head are target-able. In order to defeat the clockwork, only a sufficient amount of damage need be done to his cogs and gears (defeat 3 components). Attacking and killing the front legs will cause the clockwork to fall forward, making the generator target-able (within range), while also making the head capable of reaching players, unleashing dangerous extra melee attacks on the tank. Defeating the hind legs will cause the clockwork to topple backwards, exposing the head which takes many times the damage from all sources. Because the clockwork is on it's back, however, it's cannon begins shooting indiscriminately into the air, carpet bombing the arena with napalm a la T5.

This is, of course, an off the cuff example and I would not expect a fight like the one above. Rather, as you can see above, something where the flow of the fight can be tailored by the group to fit their current play style. By making the kill condition a number of targets instead of a specific one, it opens up more options for the party, while each kill order presents unique challenges and advantages that may suite different people at different times.

They should have an updated Titan fight where periodically, half a dozen kobolds show up carrying lengths of garden hose and pick one person to start beating on. They're untargetable and can't be killed, but repeated AoE will knock them off the platform for a while.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I think random enmity resets could be cool, and really fit the game.

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Moogle EX has it. The marauder and gladiator moogle will randomly reset aggro.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Moogle EX has it. The marauder and gladiator moogle will randomly reset aggro.

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Never fought Moogle Ex, only HM, but it should be more common, the hate resets in FFXI made for some really funny moments.

A 4 minute gauntlet run where the group must carry an egg/bomb/goobbue through the gauntlet. The goal is not so much killing the mechanics but simply stalling/diverting/incapacitating them while on the move.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

I will most likely be told to burn in hell for suggesting this, but not so much mechanics wise but more fight wise, I would love a triad fight against titan, ifrit. Garuda, like was hinted at in the Garuda cutscene, yeh it know ultima HM has them but that's more their essence, I'd love to have an arena style fight against all three at same time

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That would make for an awesome alliance fight.

Each full party does each primal like they normally would.

Yet gotta time their moves so it doesn't hurt the other alliance and cause a wipe.

Titan's geocrush will hurt Ifrit.
Ifrit's Hellfire will hurt Garuda.
Garuda's Aerial Blast will hurt both

unsafe

Try and get titan to Table Flip the other Primals
Use the plumes to explode on the other Primals.
Hit the other primals with Ifrit's Eruption.

I just wanna fall off more…liek srsly. Lol.
No I'm just kidding. To actually contribute, I'd like to see more importance placed on party unity. Maybe where you have to team up in pairs to trigger certain aspects of the fight. Kind of like how in titan you have goals and have to run far away from each other, like say a fight with platforms that light up when two people step on it, there's 3 around the room, and it's a wipe if you step off it for whatever reason, but you still have to work from your position to do what your job requires. D: I'm a masochist for incredible crazy fight what can I say.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

That would make for an awesome alliance fight.

Each full party does each primal like they normally would.

Yet gotta time their moves so it doesn't hurt the other alliance and cause a wipe.

Titan's geocrush will hurt Ifrit.
Ifrit's Hellfire will hurt Garuda.
Garuda's Aerial Blast will hurt both

unsafe

Try and get titan to Table Flip the other Primals
Use the plumes to explode on the other Primals.
Hit the other primals with Ifrit's Eruption.

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Love this idea, ever since the Garuda cutscene I wanted a triple fight, and the alliance idea makes perfect sense with ways to hurt each primal with the others ability

I'd like more dungeons where a guest party member would join the fight with you, like Cid in CM and Brayflox in... Brayflox.

Turn 8 has a chose your own phase mechanic in the form of the towers. Trick is to chose the phases (bio towers) correctly in a way that they go well with the overall attacks that the boss puts out and power them up in a way that non of the towers power up at the same time. Its pretty cool actaully.

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Originally Posted by Cessna

Turn 8 has a chose your own phase mechanic in the form of the towers. Trick is to chose the phases (bio towers) correctly in a way that they go well with the overall attacks that the boss puts out and power them up in a way that non of the towers power up at the same time. Its pretty cool actaully.

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Ah that's great to hear, I have just recently unlocked T6+ and have not given it a shot yet. In the back of my mind as I was writing that post, I was thinking that such a think probably existed in T6+ and I was just making a fool of myself. Still, either way, I'm happy to hear that.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

I just thought it'd be cool to make more use of enmity...

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I'd really just like to see fights with more...tank involvement? Or movement? There's just a lot of fights where the MT stands there chopping away for most of the fight, and my group's MT is always bored out of his mind, poor guy.

Off topic, but it's kind of neat seeing people I recognize on the forums, Alti! I'm in that lala linkshell with you but haven't seen you around lately. D:

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

That would make for an awesome alliance fight.

Each full party does each primal like they normally would.

Yet gotta time their moves so it doesn't hurt the other alliance and cause a wipe.

Titan's geocrush will hurt Ifrit.
Ifrit's Hellfire will hurt Garuda.
Garuda's Aerial Blast will hurt both

unsafe

Try and get titan to Table Flip the other Primals
Use the plumes to explode on the other Primals.
Hit the other primals with Ifrit's Eruption.

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I'm kinda debating on telling the two of you to burn in hell for it, but it does sound interesting. Too bad there's no chance in hell it'd work with ARR's playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Kinny

I'd really just like to see fights with more...tank involvement? Or movement? There's just a lot of fights where the MT stands there chopping away for most of the fight, and my group's MT is always bored out of his mind, poor guy.

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This please. There's so many gimmick fights that have the tank doing absolutely nothing different than normal. Even worse is when those fights end up having nothing to dodge either. Gimme something like Halatali(HM) where I can use the environment to my advantage against a boss or something. Granted, I just know I'll ask that and the boss'll end up either being a caster or act like Siren(Oh you want me to move? Well, I'ma debuff this person....and that person....and now Lunatic Voice! Then I'm gonna poof again!).

Oh, and I honestly hate aggro resets, especially with how mediocre Provoke is. Nothing like having to waste TP on Tomahawk in the middle of the fight to regain an aggro lead because the mob runs to a ranged DPS who's on the other side of the arena.

Needs more charm bosses where you actually have to stun-lock or maybe kill the player to have it removed.

I'm not maining that server anymore :( I'll be on every now and then but I'm mainly on Adamantoise

Anything that doesn't involve dodging till they get their servers fixed :p

I'd like to see a boss fight that requires movement. Kind of tired of every boss fight taking place in a round room. Have something like a gauntlet to traverse with the boss, using some kind of one time use node to shield the party from an ultimate, then having to move on to find another node. An off tank would have to pick up patrolling mobs for the group to deal with en route.

I'd like to see my self show up during random boss battles. At first I would give you words of encouragement and cheer you on, but eventually I'd decide that all of you are an unworthy lot and need to be taught the meaning of Action. At which point I would decimate the boss with a single flying jump kick, and challenge you to battle.

You'll never be able to defeat me, obviously, but you'll be taught a harsh lesson, and if your pretty good I'll leave presents. You should know though, my presents are swift kicks and hard punches!

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Originally Posted by Limecat

They should have an updated Titan fight where periodically, half a dozen kobolds show up carrying lengths of garden hose and pick one person to start beating on. They're untargetable and can't be killed, but repeated AoE will knock them off the platform for a while.

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Or maybe the one targeted need to lure them into landslides!

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Originally Posted by Seryl199

I'd like to see a boss fight that requires movement. Kind of tired of every boss fight taking place in a round room. Have something like a gauntlet to traverse with the boss, using some kind of one time use node to shield the party from an ultimate, then having to move on to find another node. An off tank would have to pick up patrolling mobs for the group to deal with en route.

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DPSing a moving target as melee is the worst thing ever in this game. Do not wish that upon anyone.

Give every enemy, trash mob to raid boss, weight of the land and landslide.
Just because.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

I'm not maining that server anymore :( I'll be on every now and then but I'm mainly on Adamantoise

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Oh. D: I guess the server was always kind of deadish in the morning when you played. I hope Adamantoise is working out better!

(Even more off topic -- I thought about you yesterday! Actually I was clicking through the LS and wondering where all the familiar faces went. But then later in the day, the friend of yours that you mentioned was in my guild logged in for the first time in months! ...only to say that he was really upset with us, and then he left before I could say anything, but I'm not really sure why. I was...I was really confused.)

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Originally Posted by Kinny

Oh. D: I guess the server was always kind of deadish in the morning when you played. I hope Adamantoise is working out better!

(Even more off topic -- I thought about you yesterday! Actually I was clicking through the LS and wondering where all the familiar faces went. But then later in the day, the friend of yours that you mentioned was in my guild logged in for the first time in months! ...only to say that he was really upset with us, and then he left before I could say anything, but I'm not really sure why. I was...I was really confused.)

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I don't think he was upset with you. Lots of personal stuff going on and my gf was just pestering him to get on lol but he's gonna transfer. Adamantoise is great but yeah my gf just wanted a new start on a new server so I obliged, but I'll visit Siren every now and then

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Originally Posted by Enepttastic

I'm kinda debating on telling the two of you to burn in hell for it, but it does sound interesting. Too bad there's no chance in hell it'd work with ARR's playerbase.

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:] Fun things are fun all I say.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

I don't think he was upset with you. Lots of personal stuff going on and my gf was just pestering him to get on lol but he's gonna transfer. Adamantoise is great but yeah my gf just wanted a new start on a new server so I obliged, but I'll visit Siren every now and then

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Yeah, I was in an instance when it happened. He said that he was upset with us and good luck with coils, and by the time I told him I wasn't sure I understood what he meant, he was already gone. D:!!!

It's quiet in the mornings without you! Like, really...really quiet. Please do visit sometime and don't forget the lovely lalas of Siren. <3

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

DPSing a moving target as melee is the worst thing ever in this game. Do not wish that upon anyone.

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Didn't necessarily state you'd have to dps the boss while it's moving. Think something along the lines of the Ahriman boss in darkhold, only a larger scale. I've got a monk too, I know how frustrating it is to chase down a mob being kited in circles by a relentless bard.