Heavy Slash Vs Heavy Stab

Both of the skills read that they increase Eminity, however, Heavy Stab really only has higher accuracy and damage for a slight stamina increase. I steal Eminity all the time from gladiators using Heavy Stab with my Heavy Slash. And Heavy slash is 20 ranks lower.

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Originally Posted by JillianNekonia

Hmm Heavy slash doesn't increase enmity gain Full swing does though... as for why you steal hate against glads using Heavy Stab... I blame the wonky enmity in the game. Or it could be the higher dmg output of Heavy Slash I would imagine that you do more dmg with Heavy Slash over the dmg a glad does with Heavy stab.

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Yes the enmity is very weird in this game. War Drum seems to work well, but they hit me once and move away.

Doh got quoted before I could delete my confused response but yes ignore the lil tid bit about the heavy slash and full swing bit and read on from "I blame the wonky enmity" >.>;

Haha. But i was thinking it is a bug :P o well.

Lol I understood it so it's all good. I do prefer to use that as my main attack now, it gains great TP too!

I'm just guessing here but it might depend on the properties of your weapon that decides which is better

for example

long sword: 70% slash, 20% stab, 10% blunt

dagger: 70% stab, 30% slash

you would want to use heavy slash with a long sword and heavy stab with a dagger for maximum damage and eminity

this is just how i saw it, i have nothing to back this up

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Originally Posted by Vicious

I'm just guessing here but it might depend on the properties of your weapon that decides which is better

for example

long sword: 70% slash, 20% stab, 10% blunt

dagger: 70% stab, 30% slash

you would want to use heavy slash with a long sword and heavy stab with a dagger for maximum damage and eminity

this is just how i saw it, i have nothing to back this up

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Yup I think you hit the nail on the head... Never thought about that but I did know about the damage output. It works well with WS too

I always use Heavy Stab for a 'tough' fight (NMs, etc). Heavy Slash is just too inaccurate to be worth the small amount of damage increase. Not to mention, it takes more stamina. If H.Slash had the same ACC as stab, then yes...I'd use it. But Slash just simply misses too often. No matter if my DEX is 60 or 174.

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Originally Posted by Kotee

I always use Heavy Stab for a 'tough' fight (NMs, etc). Heavy Slash is just too inaccurate to be worth the small amount of damage increase. Not to mention, it takes more stamina. If H.Slash had the same ACC as stab, then yes...I'd use it. But Slash just simply misses too often. No matter if my DEX is 60 or 174.

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what type of weapon do you use?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Yes the enmity is very weird in this game. War Drum seems to work well, but they hit me once and move away.

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Are you using War Drum as your first action against the mob? First actions don't generate enmity.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Are you using War Drum as your first action against the mob? First actions don't generate enmity.

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Nope I usually use it mid-battle when a few people's health is low and there is more than one mob.

I sometimes use it in solo for aesthetic purposes cause I like the way it looks lol

I've tried using slash vs stab with daggers and swords and I've never seen consistently more damage with one or the other on either weapon.

Remember to use the corresponding attack that matches your weapon type to maximize damage! (Stab for daggers, slash for swords) That said, stab seems better if you're trying more for a successful hit than damage.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I've tried using slash vs stab with daggers and swords and I've never seen consistently more damage with one or the other on either weapon.

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You also can't forget it depends on what kind of enemy you are attacking.
When I fight crabs, I use stab=more damage because of his thick shell.

sort of in the same vein of discussion but not totally on topic Mrd's Full swing could use some looking at as well per hit it's about the same as broad swing the extra enmity is really not that noticeable and it's stamina cost is almost double that of broad swing. Given the stamina churn axe users already face due to our accuracy its really impractical under normal circumstances and worthless under stressful ones.

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Originally Posted by Griss

sort of in the same vein of discussion but not totally on topic Mrd's Full swing could use some looking at as well per hit it's about the same as broad swing the extra enmity is really not that noticeable and it's stamina cost is almost double that of broad swing. Given the stamina churn axe users already face due to our accuracy its really impractical under normal circumstances and worthless under stressful ones.

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Yes I agree, Marauders do have that downside. I pretty much stopped mine because it annoyed me so much!
The cost for the enmity isn't worth it, especially for the damage output. AND the fact that battles don't last nearly as long as they should

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Originally Posted by Vicious

I'm just guessing here but it might depend on the properties of your weapon that decides which is better

for example

long sword: 70% slash, 20% stab, 10% blunt

dagger: 70% stab, 30% slash

you would want to use heavy slash with a long sword and heavy stab with a dagger for maximum damage and eminity

this is just how i saw it, i have nothing to back this up

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I do not think those weapon affinities do much yet. And if they did it would suck, since the highest rank dagger is r31, nothing anywhere near R50.