can we have a differnt UI for skills

any1 hate having a tool bar that you just press a number to use skills? i played FF11 and hated this idea so much i never used macros i loved targeting the monsters opening my menu going to magic or att or skill and doing what needed to be done and with the f1-6 healing was easy so i never needed macros and never conformed to them becuase i hated 1234567890

im not saying get rid of the bar but can we have something different im not even saying like FF11's but not a damn bar

im not even saying bars are bad XD but maybe some ppl ( like me lol) just dont like action bars

Tbh though what is more final fantasy a skill bar or an actual menu that organizes att skills ect.. ect.

EDIT: im not complaining about the lag but i just the only way to use a skill is 1234567890 and just having another option on using the skills

If you didn't use macros in FFXI, I take it you didn't use gear swaps either. Which in that game, I'm sorry to say would make you nothing short of a gimp. Also for healing <stpt> did wonders for me.

However in this game, gear swaps are not necessary so alternate ways to use your abilities would not be too far out of the questions.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

If you didn't use macros in FFXI, I take it you didn't use gear swaps either. Which in that game, I'm sorry to say would make you nothing short of a gimp. Also for healing <stpt> did wonders for me.

However in this game, gear swaps are not necessary so alternate ways to use your abilities would not be too far out of the questions.

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mainly played mages where gear swap wasnt huge i mean when i was using bliz 4 i could always go to gear and manually change but thats why im also saying that idc if they keep it but can we have something else for maybe ppl like me :|

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Originally Posted by danny52844

any1 hate having a tool bar that you just press a number to use skills? i played FF11 and hated this idea so much i never used macros i loved targeting the monsters opening my menu going to magic or att or skill and doing what needed to be done and with the f1-6 healing was easy so i never needed macros and never conformed to them becuase i hated 1234567890

im not saying get rid of the bar but can we have something different im not even saying like FF11's but not a damn bar

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I agree. Maybe not like in FFXI but like in every other FF.

Would be cool if the UI was faster, more responsive and "snappier" instead of having that slow transition animation between choosing options.

bumping cause like no one saw this :p and i wanna see if ppl agree or not

No, having to navigate through a menu everytime I want to use a skill bogs battle down. I also can't customize it (I, for example, have Bar 1 as offense magic, Bar 2 as healing/buffs, and Bar 3 as different DoL skills).

And I don't have to go into active mode to bring it up (you can just press 1-0 and it brings up the action bar).

I wouldn't mind it as an alternative, but I want to keep by action bar.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

mainly played mages where gear swap wasnt huge i mean when i was using bliz 4 i could always go to gear and manually change but thats why im also saying that idc if they keep it but can we have something else for maybe ppl like me :|

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Haha wow. As an ex FFXI BLM, I'd have to say you did your job horribly then. Gear swaps were absolutely necessary especially to maximize your nukes.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

No, having to navigate through a menu everytime I want to use a skill bogs battle down. I also can't customize it (I, for example, have Bar 1 as offense magic, Bar 2 as healing/buffs, and Bar 3 as different DoL skills).

And I don't have to go into active mode to bring it up (you can just press 1-0 and it brings up the action bar).

I wouldn't mind it as an alternative, but I want to keep by action bar.

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then re read plz :| i did say explicitly that i dont want ot do away with the action bar i just want another option

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Originally Posted by danny52844

then re read plz :| i did say explicitly that i dont want ot do away with the action bar i just want another option

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That's fine :P I was saying "No" as in "I don't hate the action bar."

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

No, having to navigate through a menu everytime I want to use a skill bogs battle down. I also can't customize it (I, for example, have Bar 1 as offense magic, Bar 2 as healing/buffs, and Bar 3 as different DoL skills).

And I don't have to go into active mode to bring it up (you can just press 1-0 and it brings up the action bar).

I wouldn't mind it as an alternative, but I want to keep by action bar.

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Not to mention that it is planned to allow all three rows of the skill bar to be displayed at once. So no up and down transition animations when selecting skills

There was one positive thing about Failhammer, you could choose how many action bars appeared on screen at once (up to 4) and could hotkey them all.

FFXII battle system, something like that. That was greatly playable, much more than FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

FFXII battle system, something like that. That was greatly playable, much more than FFXIV.

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Gambits OP.

But I did like the FFXII battle system :3 I like the current FFXIV one though.

Pity they didnt went with something like (FFXII ofr example) from start. First FF game with completely revamped battle system.

Client-sided UI. Multiple-bars always on screen. Decent hotkeys (modifiers, letters). No confirmation for the heals (we don't need one, simply heal the freaking target!).

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Client-sided UI. Multiple-bars always on screen. Decent hotkeys (modifiers, letters). No confirmation for the heals (we don't need one, simply heal the freaking target!).

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I like the heal confirmation though. I can keep target-locked on the mob to watch my Enmity and then see if my heal totally screwed my enmity (since the heal targeting only switches targets for the heal).

I really don't like our current UI in general (although to be honest, I do quite like the new look they've given the action bar). The design is really inconsistent, with the overall menu looking totally different to everything else. I think the blue colour they've used for the menus themselves is a bit gross, and they're just generally clunky and unappealing to look at.

Why have we gone from FFXIII which had an absolutely gorgeous menu system and really slick UI to something that's actually worse than FFXI?

I hope they have plans to totally redo it, not just upgrade the current one (they seriously need to sort out the lag issues too, I'm not prepared to pay for a game with the amount of delay between actions this one has) and make it much more client-based.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

I really don't like our current UI in general (although to be honest, I do quite like the new look they've given the action bar). The design is really inconsistent, with the overall menu looking totally different to everything else. I think the blue colour they've used for the menus themselves is a bit gross, and they're just generally clunky and unappealing to look at.

Why have we gone from FFXIII which had an absolutely gorgeous menu system and really slick UI to something that's actually worse than FFXI?

I hope they have plans to totally redo it, not just upgrade the current one (they seriously need to sort out the lag issues too, I'm not prepared to pay for a game with the amount of delay between actions this one has) and make it much more client-based.

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I like it, don't insert your opinion as fact. I like it a lot more than the FFXIII UI as well. And it's not meant to be slick.

Maybe if you can provide a mock-up of what you want the UI to look like you can sway my opinion, but if you want something more like FFXIII or FFXI....no. Hated both of those with a fiery passion.

First standard options, common to every mainstream 2011 MMO.

We need system the average MMO player is able to use before trying more niche things.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I like it, don't insert your opinion as fact. I like it a lot more than the FFXIII UI as well. And it's not meant to be slick.

Maybe if you can provide a mock-up of what you want the UI to look like you can sway my opinion, but if you want something more like FFXIII or FFXI....no. Hated both of those with a fiery passion.

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What? I didn't 'insert my opinion as fact'. I even said 'I think', is that not a clue? I'm afraid it's not an opinion that the UI is inconsistent, just look at the difference between the menus in the character select etc, the overall menu in-game and then the individual blue-box menus. They're all totally different.

I'm certainly not going to go through the effort of making a stupid UI mock up, I don't care enough. What I'd like is a cleaner, prettier interface like they've done previously. XI's interface was pretty bad, but it's also 9 years old so I'd say that's fair enough.

I would be very surprised if such an alternative system wasn't introduced before/alongside PS3 launch.

The big problem I can see with it though, and why it might not be implemented yet, is that unlike XI where you had unlimited access to all abilities on your main job/your sub jobs level now we set specific actions from a large pool. This doesn't make your system impossible (they just have to disable all non-equipped abilities from the menu) but it does make it not quite as simple to implement I'm sure.

I would go nuts if I had to use the main menu to do anything in battle.

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Originally Posted by Scape

I would go nuts if I had to use the main menu to do anything in battle.

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when the ppl in this thread are saying menu im just assumig they mean a menu like in 11 that was a totally different menu that only came up in a battle