Something Needs to Change (Atma)

Everywhere you look on the forums, your going to see a thread about people saying how ridiculous obtaining an Atma weapon is, and that's because it is ridiculous!

Now I've only spent 5 hours grinding for my Atma crystal and have yet to even get one. NOT EVEN ONE. Now lets add up the other 11 I need, plus the other jobs and we already have half our lives to simply get the second upgrade on our relic weapon. This is a broken system. There is no consistency.

To say a system that is built on luck is fine and rewards those for hardwork and is fine would be stupid, but Square Enix said it! As a player, I want to enjoy this game but it's getting hard. I have a job, friends, and family I have to attend too. I can't spend my life grinding up and down every corner of Eorzea to simply get the SECOND upgrade for my relic weapon.

Fix it Square Enix, you know it's broken.

People have been whining since day 1. See any changes yet?

Sorry but it won't get a increase in drop rate for quite sometime maybe 2.4-2.5 maybe. 5 hrs of farming is nothing maybe you have bad luck like me at atmas 110 hrs since it was released and that's with capping sol (maybe 20 hrs of farming a week for atma) and I'm stuck at 3. I have since then taken a break and will get back to it in time. Just find something to keep yourself from going insane and don't make it your sole priority. Try other things in the game and do it in increments if you half to but the more you dwell on it the more the RNG gods will be like nope.

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Originally Posted by Kurai_Miu

Sorry but it won't get a increase in drop rate for quite sometime maybe 2.4-2.5 maybe. 5 hrs of farming is nothing maybe you have bad luck like me at atmas 110 hrs since it was released and that's with capping sol (maybe 20 hrs of farming a week for atma) and I'm stuck at 3. I have since then taken a break and will get back to it in time. Just find something to keep yourself from going insane and don't make it your sole priority. Try other things in the game and do it in increments if you half to but the more you dwell on it the more the RNG gods will be like nope.

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A system that you could potentially spend months farming to get one drop is broken. There is no dedication or hardwork running level 10 FATES in i90 gear.

Ever tried getting a relic in 1.0 or in ff 11 that was 10000x harder then this while yes the drop rate sucks a lot no one is forcing you to get it a lot of ppl like this style, myself while I like having to put more effort forth I just hate fates. If it was kill 1 million mobs for 1 piece I would like it better just cause of my hate for fates. Just stick with it you will get it in time or never just depends on the RNG gods.
And even after you get your atma getting to animus just as tedious cause you will have 3 specific fates to camp per book which is the only horrid part of the atma books
Then can't forget the alexandrite after that which will take you quite sometime to get novis
And yet the t9 wep is still better lol

I know how you feel as I felt the same when I first started my first set of atma....... but then I tried a different tactic....

Do fates in 1 area for no more than 30 mins (fyi, you dont have to be there for the whole fate or be there at the end of it to get an atma drop), and if I didnt get any drop in that 30 mins I would move on to the next area.

Needless to say I thought my luck had changed as I managed to get my first full set of atma in just over 10hrs of gameplay (I did 4hrs first day and 4hrs 2nd day and 2hrs 3rd day). I didn't count how many fates I participated in, but this tactic worked for me and many other player friends I know who now do the same. It's not a guarantee in anyway, but for some reason you seem to get a better drop chance rate within the first 30 mins of being in a zone. Just rinse and repeat until you're on your last atma.

I can only suggest you give this a try and you never know.

5 hours isn't too bad. My first took about 8 hours and 1 took around double that. But I also received my 2nd in 2 FATEs (after getting my first), my 4th in 3 FATEs (after having a break for a few days after getting my 3rd) and my 5th last night in the first FATE I took part in while waiting for CT.
I haven't bothered much with Atma, I now have 5 in around the 4 weeks since getting Stardust Rod Zenith. I just do FATEs if I'm in the area and waiting for DF, or if I have nothing else to do.
Don't expect the drop rate to be increased any time soon. If they increased the drop rate now, everyone who grinded ages for Atma would've wasted their time. Maybe in a few more patches, but for now we're stuck with it as it is.

Good luck getting your Atma.

Fates themselves just suck ass.
It just sucks to be running around a giant zone from one side to another just to arrive for a fate that is at 90% and as a MNK I can't even tag monsters properly due to the lack of AOE and being Melee(But that is normal, not bitching about it... It's just really irritating), I started the grind yesterday, 100+ fates done only 1 atma obtained, I feel lucky but I don't like what's coming ahead.

A better idea would've been to make the ATMA drop at the end of the leveling dungeons. That would've made the grind less boring and all the level 50s would actually be helping the lower level players progress. Instead of having gear/weapons drop at the boss, if you have your Relic Zenith equipped you have a chance at the ATMA drop. If they were going to recycle content those lower level dungeons would've been better than FATEs. I know theres low level roulette. But I think we are all tired of getting Haukke Manor on roulette. Or am I the only that happens to?

None of us ask for the relic upgrade to be handed to us. We dont mind a grind. What we do mind is a boring grind. Im hoping Yoshi announces a change today at E3. Stayed tuned and cross your fingers

I wish the alexandrites would have atma drop rate

I wouldnt have a prob with farming 75 more atmas, but alexs are way rarer and thats what really sucks

yea but you're at least guaranteed 1 alexandrite per day with the daily quest they implemented. On the other hand, you could go weeks without ever having an atma drop

It's not near as bad as people make it out to be. For every atma that took me hrs, I got the next within a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

It's not near as bad as people make it out to be. For every atma that took me hrs, I got the next within a few minutes.

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but you see, there are some that go 10+ hours for EACH. some get lucky, some dont. thats the worst thing about choosing to go PURELY RNG on something like this. especially since it is only to get a new skin on the wep.

I've spent 3 hours a day for 5 weeks farming ATMAs, I have received zero drops. This system is broken.

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Originally Posted by Axlle10

but you see, there are some that go 10+ hours for EACH. some get lucky, some dont. thats the worst thing about choosing to go PURELY RNG on something like this. especially since it is only to get a new skin on the wep.

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I still think it evens out in the end. My East Shroud atma took me 12+ hrs alone. Yeah, it sucked but the others were maybe 2hrs at worst (each). I highly doubt there are any people out there that are having to grind 12+ hrs PER atma.

the only people in here that want to keep atma's systeme unchange are the one that already get thier atmas and dont want orther ppl get atma easier ! this system is really suck ! run the whole map to do Fate for only 1 random drop is stupid !

Today I must thank RNGesus for giving me 4 atma bringing my total to 7/12 now can only hope I won't go another 118 hrs without one hopefully the generous RNGesus will finally give me my last few so I can progress this.

I don't know how but they actually found a way to take the fun out of a video game for me, there is no fun or sense of progression in farming these fates for a lucky dice roll.

Personally once my sub ends at the end of this month I am out, if I want to waste my day doing something un-enjoyable I can go to work

The players that defend the current state of obtaining atmas are the ones that got lucky and found them in a reasonable amount of time. Theyre going to respond with "QQ and put in the time if you want your atma." Thats the issue tho. Most of us have put in the time, some even more time than those who already finished that part of the quest, and have nothing to show for it. You cant just say "put in the time" cause there is NO GUARANTEE that even if you put in the time you will get the atmas. How is it okay for someone to find 12 atma pieces in say 400 FATE while others are at 800+ and yet to even be half way done with the quest? Explain to me how this is type of system is ok.

And dont tell me well theres other weapons you could get. Yes there is, but the relic/zodiac weapon updates are going to keep coming. A large majority of the community is paying for content (Animus/Novus) that SE is keeping us from enjoying by implementing a stupid RNG element to the atma stage.

No i dont want the relic upgrade to be handed to me. No I dont mind a grind. I want to work for my upgrade. Yesterday I FATE grinded for 4 hours after my daily roulette and have nothing to show for it. While a PLD that join my FATE party received his atma after 15 minutes of joining. How is something like that ok?

Some of yall need to get off your high horse and see how truly broken this system is.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I still think it evens out in the end. My East Shroud atma took me 12+ hrs alone. Yeah, it sucked but the others were maybe 2hrs at worst (each). I highly doubt there are any people out there that are having to grind 12+ hrs PER atma.

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FC member of mine has been farming off an on since update for at least one hour per night. he is on 4 atma. total estimated time: 50 hours. Its actually very possible and very probable due to the nature of RNG. for every person that says oh i got it in 2 hours after 20 hours, there will be someone that is still stuck for 10+ hours to get each individual one. There is no way to prove or control the amount of time that it takes to get, therefor the "evening" out is impossible to predict and can not be used to argue the issue that atma drops are fine the way they are. SE should just realize they failed at making content that "will take a while" when they made the base step purely random. Random takes time for some, but for lots, its never going to get done until it gets changed to a progressive and somewhat controllable stage, which it should have been at the start.

They are doing great with the Animus and Novus stages as those actually achieve the goal of taking time and work for all players. Atma still is the worst thing they could have done, people cant even work towards getting the books/alexandrite until they have atma which means less people become interested in it due to the ridiculous rates set in place. It does not take any sort of work or time considering no one persons time/work can be set as a standard of what the upgrade should take.

I have already gotten my atma and i can attest that things really should change. I cant see how any one would willingly want to keep the drop rates insanely low as to block out players from getting to the next stages of a weapon that isnt even the best in the game. Its something that should take time, yes. But something that people have been working on since it was introduced while they have already released the next upgrade after deciding there was finally enough animus' to dictate the upgrade, is beyond stupid.

What really grinds my gears is that Yoshi stated he did not want everyones "hard work" to be "wasted" so they left it the way it was. What hard work is he exactly talking about? there is 0 hard work involved in atma farming. there is only the grind. thats it. People can try to sum it up as to "time = hard work", but the fact still remains others are "working harder" yet still not getting the same results as you did. hard work is an opinion, it can not be measured, and certainly can not be used as a reason to base such a ill-thought concept such as the ~1% atma drop rate.

yesterday I ran out of ventures and decided to do some fates in high lvl areas with equiped zenith weapon

after 2 fates I got the atma in the sahagin area, 3 fates later in the cobold mine and after another 2 fates I got the east shroud atma, all 3 in 20-30 minutes

If you dont really want them you'll find them xD

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

It's not near as bad as people make it out to be. For every atma that took me hrs, I got the next within a few minutes.

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On the contrary; it's quite as bad as people make it out to be. I've been trying to get the Atma of the Bull from Eastern Thanalan for over a week now. I'm able to put in 3 hours at a time to try and get it. This is three consecutive hours each day. So we multiply that by 7 (actually 8 because it's Sunday again), and we have 24 hours worth of attempting to gather 1 component of a piece of gear. This is going to go on further because I still don't have the Atma of the Bull.

So while you are quite lucky to have gotten yours after a couple hours; I seem to be the antithesis of this.

Honestly it's quite ridiculous I should have to put in more time than a couple hours a day to get one component; especially seeing as I have multiple zenith weapons for which I could be getting these.

I have a friend that started the Atma grind before me, perhaps 3 days before me and had NOTHING. I start, and get my first 5 within 2 hours. #6 took 3 days in Western Thanalan. # was 2 WEEKS in Outer La Noscea. I stopped for almost a month, burned out and unmotivated to play at all. During this time, I believe my friend had finally gotten some drops and ultimately finished before me. So painstakingly I went back to it. 2 days for #8, then #9-11 all on a Saturday. #12 I spent a Sunday getting. While relieved, when I discovered that I really only had a recolored Zenith weapon,my motivation went right out the window once again. It would be another month and a half before I just tossed my first Atma book and stopped caring.

There are people who started roughly around the same time as me, put in more time than me, and still have NOTHING. That is not okay.

SE took the weapon I was so excited to earn and completely devalued it. I don't even want to look at it now I keep it glamoured, and as soon as I can replace it, I might just trash it. . . An Atma weapon is not worth the effort wasted for it. Animus itself isn't much more of an incentive, and Novus -personally - means less than the Atma weapon to me now.

Here's hoping newer content maybe brings "in-between" type weapons (i.e. i105 or so). I'll take that or a Coil/Primal weapon in a heartbeat.