Faerie AI Inquiries

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05-30-2014, 10:40 PM
Kizik

Faerie AI Inquiries

I've gone over some various posts on the forums here but haven't quite managed to find anything properly definitive on the subject of Sic and Obey.

Eos' abilities are far too useful, and have far too long cooldowns to let her control, but am I a terrible person or worse, a bad healer, for bringing Selene out and leaving her alone? Is the flawlessly precise uptime worth not having direct control over Silence? Even further, is it worth losing Whispering Dawn, Fey Covenant, and Fey Illumination in order to keep up the 30% haste effects? I certainly like the last two of those abilities, but I find it very difficult to fit them into encounters efficiently, whereas Fey Glow/Light is a much simpler thing to use.

In short, how does I Faeries, kthx?
05-30-2014, 11:42 PM
Kitru

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Originally Posted by Kizik

Eos' abilities are far too useful, and have far too long cooldowns to let her control, but am I a terrible person or worse, a bad healer, for bringing Selene out and leaving her alone?

It depends entirely upon the fight you're doing. Eos's major contribution is her AoE healing (the CDs are nice, but they're not really a determining factor in which fairy to bring); if you don't need more AoE healing (e.g. you're running with a WHM you trust or it's a fight that doesn't have any AoE damage in the first place), bring out Selene since she'll be more useful.

As to the AI, you really should learn to use Eos on Obey. Learning to micromanage your fairies is one of those fundamental skills that all SCHs really should learn (the other 2 things are Aetherflow stack management/use and realizing that you're not a WHM so you shouldn't be healing like one). Eos on Obey is basically worthless because she's an idiot about her CDs, and Selene is never going to be as good of a pet for healing purposes as she is (even for ST purposes, Fey Illumination is one of your 2 healing CDs and the only one that benefits you; it's also the strongest healing CD in the game while you're in a group because it affects the other healer in your party as well).
05-31-2014, 12:31 AM
givemeraptors

I don't even bother using Eos anymore. The DPS boost Selene provides along with an adequate fellow WHM to pick up AoE healing works all the way up until Turn 6 (which I haven't attempted and cannot speak to). Ex Primals, first 5 turns of coil...I don't find Eos makes it any easier than Selene on sic.
05-31-2014, 01:09 AM
Sounders

The DPS boost provided by Selene is not much worth it. At average, I think the CD reduction to DPS is around 5%. And you can't have it up all the time as you have to interchange it every 30 secs. And it's very rare for a DPS to know what kind of boost they currently have. I would rather do the cleric stance dance than take away my AOE healing.

On the other hand, did you know that a Rouse powered Whispering Dawn is better than Medica2? And since you control Fey Illumation, you have a better knowledge on when is the best time to cast AOE HOT.
05-31-2014, 01:14 AM
Hysterior

I use Selene for trash and Eos for solo and 2nd coil bosses unless I know the WHM is awesome and don't need her healing input much for raid
05-31-2014, 01:47 AM
SeraviEdalborez

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Originally Posted by Sounders

The DPS boost provided by Selene is not much worth it. At average, I think the CD reduction to DPS is around 5%. And you can't have it up all the time as you have to interchange it every 30 secs. And it's very rare for a DPS to know what kind of boost they currently have. I would rather do the cleric stance dance than take away my AOE healing.

On the other hand, did you know that a Rouse powered Whispering Dawn is better than Medica2? And since you control Fey Illumation, you have a better knowledge on when is the best time to cast AOE HOT.

Having a 5% boost half the time is like having a 2.5% boost all the time. You can stance dance regardless of fairy choice. Super WD doesn't matter in a fight with few AoE mechanics. In such cases Selene is objectively better.
05-31-2014, 04:46 AM
ariaandkia

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Having a 5% boost half the time is like having a 2.5% boost all the time. You can stance dance regardless of fairy choice. Super WD doesn't matter in a fight with few AoE mechanics. In such cases Selene is objectively better.

2.5% boost vs letting your whm attack or have some breathing room?

Selene is great, but... Most cases, I'd rather see someone use Eos on auto than Selene on auto.
05-31-2014, 04:47 AM
givemeraptors

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Originally Posted by Sounders

The DPS boost provided by Selene is not much worth it. At average, I think the CD reduction to DPS is around 5%. And you can't have it up all the time as you have to interchange it every 30 secs. And it's very rare for a DPS to know what kind of boost they currently have. I would rather do the cleric stance dance than take away my AOE healing.

There's a reason why groups are leaving healer upgrades for last and DPS first. I think DPS takes priority over mostly unnecessary extra healing power.

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Originally Posted by ariaandkia

2.5% boost vs letting your whm attack or have some breathing room?

Selene is great, but... Most cases, I'd rather see someone use Eos on auto than Selene on auto.

If either of your healers have the downtime to DPS...you don't need Eos. Breathing room is really only necessary for learning parties, and even then...I still use Selene.
05-31-2014, 05:02 AM
ariaandkia

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

If either of your healers have the downtime to DPS...you don't need Eos. Breathing room is really only necessary for learning parties, and even then...I still use Selene.

I'm saying Eos can give your healers the time to dps, not that they'd start with time to dps. Breathing room helps for when things go wrong. I'm more of a fan of "slow and steady wins the race" than rush to the end and risk wiping when almost done due to some unexpected thing happening.

Again though, personally, Selene is only good on manual.
05-31-2014, 12:03 PM
rhemi1

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Originally Posted by ariaandkia

I'm saying Eos can give your healers the time to dps, not that they'd start with time to dps. Breathing room helps for when things go wrong. I'm more of a fan of "slow and steady wins the race" than rush to the end and risk wiping when almost done due to some unexpected thing happening.

Again though, personally, Selene is only good on manual.

I DPS with Selene out in every encounter in the game, including T9.

Eos's 1 minute Whispering Dawn is not going to enable you to DPS.
05-31-2014, 03:36 PM
SeraviEdalborez

If you can't find the time to DPS regardless of fairy choice, you're not as good as you think you are. Learning party or not.
05-31-2014, 05:38 PM
ariaandkia

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

If you can't find the time to DPS regardless of fairy choice, you're not as good as you think you are. Learning party or not.

What does my DPSing have anything to do with the other healer's DPSing?
05-31-2014, 05:42 PM
SeraviEdalborez

Nothing at all? "You" in this instance refers to both healers. The disparity between the two fairies is not such that choosing one over the other should significantly affect your DPS habits one way or the other, healing-wise, for yourself or your co-healer.
05-31-2014, 07:46 PM
Haprimac

After I macro'd most of my skills with Embrace, I kind of quit using Selene. Only in fights I know that need minimal healing (Brayflox last boss for example), I take Selene out to help. Even in trash fights in dungeons I have Eos on obey while I'm cleric stance dpsing (every dps skill has Embrace with <tt>). Afraid I'll never get the hang of Selene on obey, even for silencing.
06-05-2014, 10:56 PM
Ezikiel

i just wish that you cantill activate pet healing while in sic mode