How locked am I in my first class choice?

Sorry if I'm posting something anyone's already asked. :) (did a few searches but could not come up with answer)

How locked am I by my class choice at character creation? I'm currently maining a CNJ with aims on WHM, but I would like to try my hand at tanking (PLD) or DDing (BLM, DRG) as well.

I know it's "just" to pick up the weapon of the other class, but since I've joined the Conjurer's Guild, will I be hindered in obtaining the souls for the other jobs I'm interested in besides WHM?

You can have all classes and all jobs with a single character. Nothing locks you out of any job choices. You can join all of the class-related guilds. The only restriction, if I recall correctly, is that you have to reach level 10 on your first class before the Armoury (class-change) system is unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

You can have all classes and all jobs with a single character. Nothing locks you out of any job choices. You can join all of the class-related guilds. The only restriction, if I recall correctly, is that you have to reach level 10 on your first class before the Armoury (class-change) system is unlocked.

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Ah, then that's easy peasy then. :) Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

You can have all classes and all jobs with a single character. Nothing locks you out of any job choices. You can join all of the class-related guilds. The only restriction, if I recall correctly, is that you have to reach level 10 on your first class before the Armoury (class-change) system is unlocked.

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To be more accurate, you need to finish the first 3 quests at your guild to unlock the armory (means you can switch classes whenever.

Level 1 quest
Level 5 quest
level 10 quest

After that the guild leader gives you permission to join other guilds.

One thing to keep in mind is if you want to reach other cities "easily" for the first time, keep doing main scenario quests until about level 15. You will be given an airship pass then, which means you can go to any of the 3 cities to check out other guilds with ease.

I think the airship quest is more accurately about level 15-17. I don't know of anyone who has received it by level 12. (and of course, having written that, I'll see six people chiming in that they did).

It's level 15. Quest requirements mean you cannot get it any earlier.

So as a level 19 lancer, I can travel to limsa lominsa and join the fishing guild, take a fishing pole anywhere, and if I see a fishing hole as a lancer, switch over to my fishing gear set and begin fishing anywhere?

Pretty much. Once the class is unlocked all you have to do to change is simply equip the rod and volia, you're now a FSH (even though you'll be a lvl 1 FSH, youll still have all your exp in LNC so if you want to switch back to LNC at any time, just equip a lance). And that goes for all classes and Jobs you unlock too. :)

Sweet, don't have RL time to fish so I may as well play it out online while the kiddies are asleep lol! Thanks :D

Levels are class specific, so whenever you unlock a new class, you'll be level 1 in that new class (with level 1 equipment restrictions). So it's a good idea to keep your starter and other low-level gear on hand until you've out-leveled it in all the classes you plan on picking up. (Though you could also just buy duplicates of low-level gear when you need them again if it's going to be a while.)

I actually recommend leveling classes that use the same gear at the same time (tanks, casters, physical DPS, drafters, gatherers) for that reason.

All you have to do is decide which class/job you want to level and sign up wit that class's guild. Then you'll have that class's quest line and everything opened up for you.

You're just as much locked in your class as you allow yourself to be locked in.

I realized that after people started dying on my WHM while I was busy DPSing....


Joke aside, the only restriction of your starter class is your home town and thus the main story until level 15 (or was it 20?).

Thanks for all your advice. After getting post 20 on my CNJ I'm having a hard time actually considering playing as anything but a CNJ (later WHM). Even ACN which should be my fave since I was a SMN/WHM in FFXI (loving the updated Carbuncle!) is a bit tough to get to grips with "having" to level. :)

Have a play around with the other classes, you may find you enjoy some of them :)

I recently levelled scholar to 50 and I really enjoy it. Still figuring out how to play it properly but it's fun none the less ^^

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Originally Posted by Isenveld

Thanks for all your advice. After getting post 20 on my CNJ I'm having a hard time actually considering playing as anything but a CNJ (later WHM). Even ACN which should be my fave since I was a SMN/WHM in FFXI (loving the updated Carbuncle!) is a bit tough to get to grips with "having" to level. :)

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I would highly recommend leveling up some of the other classes for their cross-class abilities. WHM benefits greatly from Eye for an Eye from ACN and both Swiftcast/Surecast from THM.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

I would highly recommend leveling up some of the other classes for their cross-class abilities. WHM benefits greatly from Eye for an Eye from ACN and both Swiftcast/Surecast from THM.

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Thanks for the advice, still learning so much about the game. I'm not saying I will never level other classes, just that my focus will be either WHM or SMN :)

Is there a list of cross class capabilities? Can I mix DoW and DoM abilities? Would be nice to target a secondary to throw a spell and give the tank a chance to gain some enmity.

If you look up a class on GamerEscape (such as http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Lancer) there will be a list of actions it can equip cross-class. Also, any skill that can be cross-classed generally can be used by ALL classes (jobs can only get skills from two specific classes though, depending on the job), with the exception of Cleric's Stance (Only Scholar can cross-class it).

However, using spells on a DoW or melee abilities on a DoM is generally ill-advised. Most of the effectiveness of abilities comes from your weapon damage, with Physical Damage for physical skills and Magic Damage for spells. Your weapon only lists the damage pertinent to your skill (So, for lancer that'd be physical damage) but the other damage can be found via data mining, and will be considerably less than the one shown. In addition, your spellcasting stat (Intelligence for offensive spells, Mind for healing spells) will be rather low on a DoW. That said, buffs like Protect, Stoneskin, Eye for an Eye, Foresight, Featherfoot, Raging Strikes (which effects spells too!) Quelling Strikes, and other such things can be useful regardless of who uses them (Although, the class that earns the ability usually earns traits to make these more effective. So, a thaumaturge and a gladiator can cast Protect equally well, but a conjurer still does it better)

Also, I'm a little unsure of what you mean by "targeting a secondary to throw a spell" to give the tank some time to gain enmity. First off, attacking secondary targets is a BAD IDEA if you're trying not to pull hate. The tank will be building most of his hate on his primary target, switching to a secondary target will likely mean you'll steal hate on your new target, kinda defeating the purpose of letting him regain enmity on the main target. Secondly, why cast a spell? If the secondary target is attacking the tank, chances are it's also in melee range. If it's not attacking the tank (and hence you need the range), you will DEFINITELY be tanking it (again, defeating the point), and the tank has the choice of letting you likely die to it, or pulling it off you meaning he's spending less time building enmity on his primary target, and now has another thing smacking him and making the healer's job tougher.

EDIT: Ok, I am mistaken. DoM cannot use weaponskills, and DoW cannot use offensive spells. Still, my point about weapon damage and stats does still hold, so don't expect your lancer to toss out massive heals. Can still be enough to save your rear though.

Good to know I can still use healing spells and buffs . What I meant by breakin off of the main: a few times, I have noticed I become very close to being targeted or am targeted and have to back off my DD. Casting a detrimental spell seemed like it could have been a better alternative to standing around while the tank regains enmity. I'm still very new so it could have been a problem with that particular tank. I've only ran three dungeons so it could have been a one off issue. Thanks for the help and for humoring my curiosity.

Honestly, if you're hitting the same target as the tank and stealing enmity, there's likely a problem with the tank. They're either undergeared, or are not using their enmity combo (Fast Blade + Savage Blade, or Heavy Swing + Skull Sunder). That said, debuffs are a way to contribute to the party while minimizing your enmity. You can use Feint to inflict slow (Use it again when slow wears off) for example. If you get Quelling Strikes from archer, you can reduce the enmity of actions while it's up. Damage Over Time (DoT) abilities, however, are not effective for lowering enmity as you will still get enmity for the damage they deal, like any other weaponskill. They are effective for damage though (Phlebotomize, from your level 30 class quest, is essentially a 320 potency attack)