How do PLDs generate more hate?

My static just cleared turn 8 last week and as a Monk, multiple times I come dangerously close to ripping hate off the solo tank on Dreadnaught so I have a couple questions:
1. Is there a super duper opener combo like Kitru's opener for warrior but for paladin?
2. How do PLDs generate more threat than the usual keep Fight or Flight for dreadnaught and spamming Rage of Halone combo?
I play paladin but I don't claim to know the ins and outs of that job as my main tank has always been warrior. My static main tank is i100 with the Tidal Wave Shamshir and last week my monk was i99 with the Weathered Glanzfaust, now i100. I'm kinda afraid I might kill other people at this rate. :/

Your monk is too stronk Nate xD

Is it possible he missed the combo or maybe didn't unload RoH right off the bat? If the usual FoF>preloaded-RoH>SW followed by RoH combo spam doesn't hold it I'm at a loss. Could it be that DPS aggro is creeping up to the enmity adjustments they made? Would have to see what other people are experiencing.

Step 1:
Watch the little white aggro bar next to your name
Step 2:
If the bar gets to high, switch to Avatar and let the other 4 dps kill the dread

Seriously though, if the tank doesn't get a perfect snap pull where they can immediately put RoH combo on the dread then aggro can be an issue, especially on the dread that spawns before brain jack where the tank only has about 4-5 GCDs of aggro abilities to drop on. I tend to watch the aggro bars as tank while brain jacked and holler if a dps gets dangerously high.

Yeah I started to go through another full rotation after dread spawn to let the tank have some breather to pop CD/hold aggro. Was just wondering if there's a better way so we can have the dread down faster and cleaner run in general. I do watch my aggro bar but it was our first time beating turn 8 and I'm calling shots most of the time so it can get distracting. xD Whiskey, he's at 505 accuracy without food so with food, he should have been fine. We didn't notice him missing rage of halone or even savage blade.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dinivas

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, are you sure he's using Shield Oath when switching to Dreads?

---

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, we're solo tanking and he's always in Shield Oath. -.-

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemon8or

1. Is there a super duper opener combo like Kitru's opener for warrior but for paladin?

---

Nope. There isn't. About the only thing I can tell you not to do for a PLD is to not burn FoF until after you Shield Lob. The PLD rotation is 3 GCDs and FoF lasts 12. By activating FoF for your Shield Lob, you're taking away the FoF buff on your 4th RoH.

There's very little one can do to increase enmity generation if they're already spamming RoH combo and using FoF, CoS, and SW on CD. If they're doing so and still having enmity problems, your only solution is asking your DPS to throttle themselves (generally best accomplished by having them wait 30 secs or so to use their CDs).

When I tank T8 Dread,
here is my Opener, Dread spawn > Provoke(Dread spawn outside of Shield Lob range, leaving Provoke the only option for me.) > 2x Shield Lob > RoH combo, Ideally Once spawn Dread, it should be kill within 8 GCD once it arrive at the Tank.

once I complete my first RoH rotation, I usually so far ahead in agro that dread will die before any DPS get agro. my team usually wait until Dread walk to my location (usually after 2x Lob) then burn it. (our team take about 17-20 sec to kill dread.)
I don't use FoF on dread. so far, never have issued with Agro yet.

the only way I lose agro on dread is the healer do benedict, medica 2 or BLM use proc on dread before I can do my combo.

@ Nate - I didn't necessarily mean accuracy miss but a combo miss. Happens to me sometimes where I go to hit savage or RoH (or War equal) and the combo just isn't there, which screws up the whole rotation. Shield lob wouldn't let you keep the combo though anyways, so I guess pre-loaded RoH would be tricky.

if you mean the situation when you use the ability and it goes on CD but you don't get any effect or execute the skill?
T_T that happen to me a lot before I start using VPN xD

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Remn

if you mean the situation when you use the ability and it goes on CD but you don't get any effect or execute the skill?
T_T that happen to me a lot before I start using VPN xD

---

Yea something like that.. I'm never quite sure if it's me or the game honestly, we've all hit 1-2-3 a million times, you'd think it would be hard to screw up.. But it does happen lol

yep, it the connection issue. (my guess is it the package loss on network. i.e. you hit the skill, the client recognize it and put it on CD but the package is loss so the server does not recognize it. so it wont give you the effect.

I fix it by using VPN ^^'

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, are you sure he's using Shield Oath when switching to Dreads?

Just Started T8 myself but what works best for me is I've noticed the signs for when the Dredd will spawn i.e. right after second laser, about one or 1.5 GCDs after first brain jack, and prep a comboed ROH. I also utilize my aggro generation from cooldowns and Circle of Scorn for off GCD for that little bit extra omph.

So mines Provoke -> Shield Lob -> HG/Sentinel -> Prepped ROH -> CoS. Hasn't failed me yet.

what about throwing in HQ X-Potion of Strength with FoF for them "oh shit need to getz dem hates" moments?, you can probably tie a macro with it too

/macroicon 1
/item "X-Potion of Strength" <self>
/ac "Fight or Flight"
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>

or something like that

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kitru

There's very little one can do to increase enmity generation if they're already spamming RoH combo and using FoF, CoS, and SW on CD....

---

Per above, I was gonna ask, if you also see them using Circle of Scorn and Spirits Within.

Also just for the fun of it, tossing that Potion of Strength and even maybe a Poison bottle, can't ever hurt, judiciously applied.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BuckyCap

Just Started T8 myself but what works best for me is I've noticed the signs for when the Dredd will spawn i.e. right after second laser, about one or 1.5 GCDs after first brain jack, and prep a comboed ROH. I also utilize my aggro generation from cooldowns and Circle of Scorn for off GCD for that little bit extra omph.

So mines Provoke -> Shield Lob -> HG/Sentinel -> Prepped ROH -> CoS. Hasn't failed me yet.

---

does shieldlob not reset your RoH combo? Meaning you will not have the prepped combo in this example.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spoekes

does shieldlob not reset your RoH combo? Meaning you will not have the prepped combo in this example.

---

I was just about to ask the same thing.

X-Potion of Strength, as suggested, probably wouldn't be a bad idea if he's struggling holding hate.

If you're using a controller or keyboard with pressure sensitive buttons, pressing harder will make your combo do more damage.

Hope this helps.

Gotta get me that pressure sensitive keyboard!
Just like giving the enemy your evil eye and make scary noises sometimes will boost your performance too.

Wait. No. Wait. How is this even working? I need more practice....and a better brain...But I do stand by the rest of my post.

My PLD likes to keep a potion of vit handy for like a cheap Thrill of Battle. I... like to pop X-potions of strength during dreadnaught (to make up for not reserving cooldowns for dread, I fire B4B, IR and PB everytime they're up) so maybe that's why. >.< We'll see what happens when we run it today.

I'm using Shield lob twice before I start my RoH combo. usually as soon as I land 2nd part combo, I will be ahead of everyone on the agro list.
also, the timing for dread is different for each group, (especially during 2nd phase, with Brain jack). in our group we put 3 people in Dread tower and he will pop when Brain jack has 3-5 sec left. I usually grab the hate after brain jack ware off.
also you can skip the 3rd dread if you push the boss below 45-46% before the 3rd Dread tower is up.

So as a Paladin, I noticed a few things. Shield Swipe is a horrible aggro tool but it is great to mix in to add additional dps for free. I am constantly watching my threat bars and if I don't do a two RoH combo's at the beginning and sub in shield swipes the dps creeps up really fast. There is a certain point where I become untouchable and can shield swipe all day long but we have to get there first. If he is incorporating this too early then yes he would have issues.

Yea it would be a much more viable aggro tool if it was off the GCD. I usually dedicate the first minute to simply solidify my hate. By that time it'd be real pressed if anyone was really able to catch up at that point. I also hate how many of the endgame boss battles are immune to the few debuffs we have like pacification. I know It'd ruin SE's idea of scripted mechanics but I think it'd make fights more interesting. Off topic though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Remn

also, the timing for dread is different for each group, (especially during 2nd phase, with Brain jack). in our group we put 3 people in Dread tower and he will pop when Brain jack has 3-5 sec left. I usually grab the hate after brain jack ware off.

---

Yea but with a static like his yours and mine it become much easier to notice, especially if members are consistent. One of those benefits of a static always mentioned, you know what you're gonna get out of your group, and it becomes that much easier to adjust.

They probably don't want to risk letting pacify work cause they must have tried something with bone dragon and failed lol. Has that been fixed yet?

And I've noticed some dps just cut loose from the get go and forget the tank needs to hit first :/

Not sure if worth mentioning, but when it comes to picking up immediate hate on enemies either dreadnaught from Turn 8 or adds from Turn 7, I try to initiate with preloaded Savage Blade over preloaded RoH, or if ranged pull seems to be the only option, Provoke + Shield Lob into Circle of Scorn or SoW whichever is up at the time + flash and then start the usual threat combo.

The reason being is that although RoH has higher threat modifiers, there's an animation delay vs that of Savage Blade which is almost instantaneous. During that period of RoH going off can mean your mob turning around to smack someone in the face or running off to the healer only to come right back to you, which can mean loss of dps time, especially for your melee.

The same applies to ranged pulls. Provoke seems more instant than say Shield Lob. I'm not sure why it works that way, but it has worked well for me in gaining hate and keeping things in place while dps can just go ham from the getgo.

Some insight on Shield Swipe: It's not for aggro, and it's barely for the Pacification. It's a GCD skill with a cost of 40 TP. In that same span of time, you'll regenerate 60 TP. Shield Swipe works best as a TP management tool. It's something you start using at every proc only when you have a solid hate lead and you'll stand a far lesser chance of running dry on TP in a longer fight. Remember that you can use two skills between hits of the Halone Combo, if swipe is proccing that often :)