SE, this is a serious request and I ask for you to close this down immediately when someone goes OT since we have enough of those.
Request: please do not allow a marriage system in FFXIV at all!
Reason: too much emotion and political stuff. With the last live letter, the threads also gone really live in a very negative matter.
If people want to rant about same-sex marriage, NOT in this thread! There is like 6 out there started his morning. This is for all the people like I, who wish to play the game and have SE focus on new jobs for example rather than dealing with this topic.
Marriage system
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05-27-2014, 02:09 PMabzoluutMarriage system
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05-27-2014, 02:12 PMRadkat
I suspect only Americans try to make this an issue. The main japanese community couldn't care less. So it's not a problem for SE. They just point and laugh.
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05-27-2014, 02:16 PMTharian
really, adding a marriage system into the game is a very minor addition to the game. In Final Fantasy XI (the previous Final Fantasy MMO) all it really amounted to was a form you had to fill out in the POL Viewer, a fee you had to pay in gil, and then once that was taken care of, you would receive a ring each for the Bride and Groom, and a service at your choice of location officiated by an NPC. As an optional additional service for an additional fee, you could also purchase a wedding gown for the bride.
There was nothing intrinsically game breaking about these features. The problems that arose with the Wedding Service were entirely the fault of the players and not Square-Enix. It was the fault of Players who decided to share their items between the Bride and Groom who ended up getting ripped off by their spouse when the relationship went sour. This was not the fault of Square-Enix and as such Square-Enix was not liable for it as they did not make a shared Inventory Space part of the Wedding System in that game.
I see no reason why Weddings would pose any problem in Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. -
05-27-2014, 02:19 PMCrankysorc
They're not going to change their minds on implementing things they've already put time and resources into. It's a feature which has been promised since before 2.0 launch, so it's not like they're considering whether or not to do it.
Stuff like this is part of this genre and you just have to deal with them choosing to add fluff content instead of only focusing on combat. -
05-27-2014, 02:24 PMAto_Touji
You can't say to completely stop marriages from happening. There's actually a good amount of married couples on the game. If they wanna get married in-game as well, then let them!
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05-27-2014, 02:25 PMAnapingofnessNot really...Quote:
Originally Posted by Radkat
For a change, it'd be nice if people who said these things had some facts to back up said claims.
As for the topic at hand;
I don't really care one way or another if they add marriage of any sort in game.
However, if people can't play nice then it shouldn't be added period. -
05-27-2014, 04:26 PMNuinnThis whole game is full of people who can't play nice o_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Anapingofness
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05-27-2014, 04:38 PMMemoe
I agree. I would rather have no marriage at all than have a system that gives plain-right privileges to one group over the other. Just drop the idea.
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05-27-2014, 04:50 PMAmalahRose
I'm looking forward to it, can't wait to get that dress. :D
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05-27-2014, 04:57 PMVeloxTo be completely honest, the whole "if I can't have it, no one can" attitude is something people were supposed to grow out of in kindergarten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memoe
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05-27-2014, 05:00 PMd4rkieYou're forgetting about homeschooled kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Velox
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05-27-2014, 05:04 PMMemoeAnd "If I can have it, I don't care if others get the short end of the stick!" attitude is thus proven alright. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
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05-27-2014, 05:21 PMVeloxThat's funny because I don't remember typing anything about my personal opinion or my relationship in that post. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memoe
Please remember that some people understand that A) life does not revolve around them and B) things that happen in a "video game" are so absolutely insignificant that they are not worth fretting over, even if its something they personally disagree with. -
05-27-2014, 05:36 PMMemoeA) Around what does life revolve, if not around people who are involved with it? I never suggested you meant otherwise. I pointed out the other end which you managed to neglect. If people who feel wronged stay silent, it's easily ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
B) And yet we both are in video game forums, in a thread of which whole point is stating your opinion about marriage (or, in this case, stop the hassle and drop the idea completely). If you feel like this doesn't concern you, I would suggest you let it be. -
05-27-2014, 06:10 PMVeloxTo answer your question, I don't believe life revolves around anything at all. Life is just life and it's people who attempt to give meaning to it out of an innate need to place themselves in a position of supreme importance. I was not neglecting the other end, I was simply pointing out that some people who feel wronged stay silent because they realize that in certain instances, such as in a game, its simply not worth expelling this amount of energy into something rather insignificant (and ultimately does more harm than good because it creates rifts in the community).Quote:
Originally Posted by Memoe
It is my opinion that, when it comes to real life, same-sex marriage should be legal in every country. It is also my opinion that, when it comes to this game, people shouldnt be getting as obsessive about SE's decision because it has zero effect on the real world them. -
05-27-2014, 06:24 PMjomoruPeople shouldn't get upset about Housing in game. I mean it has no effect on them in the Real world. People shouldn't get upset that a class/job is completely unplayable since it doesn't effect them in the real world. People shouldn't get upset about the ingame economy it doesn't effect them in the real world. You're argument can be said for every damn thread on this board. People wanting to have same sex marriage in game is no less worthy than having balanced classes and dungeons that don't explode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
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05-27-2014, 06:25 PMMemoeExactly. The meaning is found in actions, and only by our actions can we try to impact the outcome. I don't find it an "innate need to be in a position of supreme importance" to try and help equality's cause. A starting point to acceptance, that straight and lgbt rights should be equal has to be somewhere, and for some people it might just as well be this game. It would be a mistake to ignore little things such as this, because as insignificant as it sounds, it contributes to something greater entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
An attitude like that, as noble as it sounds, is like giving up a fight before it's even begun.
Edit// I'm starting to feel like some love's messenger here. Better go find me a garland of coltsfoot and start preaching love like it was a religion. -
05-28-2014, 01:01 AMBunnyChainThis, 10 times. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AmalahRose
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05-28-2014, 01:06 AMTeaTimeBearYeeees I get to be a big waif!Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyChain
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05-28-2014, 01:10 AMGextiv
I hope I find my special someone! TY SE for making this possible.
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05-28-2014, 01:10 AMRamzalSo you want a group to scrap a project that they've worked hard on just because of whiney Americans? (I''m an American too) Get real. People were paid for the work they did and people paid to get it done. Just let them do what they're doing and respect it/don't participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
Either way, I can't wait to look like a sir in my wedding tux. -
05-28-2014, 01:48 AMLexia
Can I have little miqo'te children after getting married?
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05-28-2014, 02:39 AMInquisitorYou might want to look at some actual numbers before making such statements:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radkat
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2013/...UNE-4-2013.pdf
Also, the Japanese constitution (unlike the US's) does indeed define marriage as between a man and a woman. -
05-28-2014, 02:50 AMSouljackerPeople should also grow out of the "if I don't understand or like it then it's wrong" - but that's largely the reasoning used when arguing against same-sex couples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
I agree with the OP. It's a hot topic and it's not worth it. Shelve the idea for about 5 years and try again, but don't build discrimination into the game. -
05-28-2014, 03:09 AMkidvideoTrue... however there's this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_JapanQuote:
Originally Posted by Inquisitor
And since there is a European population in the game, this is relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recogni...ions_in_Europe
As for Japan's Constitution... just because something is written in a Constitution does mean it's fair or just. One simply has to look to the US Constitution's 13th, 18th, 19th, & 21st Amendments. -
05-28-2014, 04:34 AMInquisitorI was not suggesting that the Japanese constitution was morally correct on marriage. I was simply countering the early poster's statement that:Quote:
Originally Posted by kidvideo
Looking at actual poll numbers shows that, given the margin of error, the US and Japan are practically the same with regards to public opinion on LGBT rights. Sure there are plenty of countries where LGBT rights have more public support. But there are also countries where support is much less. And not just Muslim-majority countries. Russia, China, South Korea, and (surprisingly to me) Greece have much less public support for gay rights.Quote:
I suspect only Americans try to make this an issue. The main japanese community couldn't care less. So it's not a problem for SE. They just point and laugh.
And for the record, I am all for gay marriage in-game and irl. Hell, I think people should be able to become legally joined as platonic life-partners if they're so inclined. -
05-28-2014, 04:35 AMKyrieBonvalet
Implement it, don't implement it.
Game will still go on. -
05-28-2014, 05:56 AMEnkrateia
After removing a particularly off topic discussion from the thread, I will be locking this thread. The appeal to not include a system in the game is certainly worth discussion, and you are free to express your support of the idea using the "Like!" button. However, the thread itself has fallen quite off topic from that discussion and is focusing on real life legal hurdles and issues. The thread will be locked so that the points currently brought up, including the original appeal to not implement a system, remain available to view.
LGM Enkrateia