I have never, ever had to do something so irrationally, infuratingly stupid in any MMO as I have waiting for this absolutely stupid world-spawn raid boss to show up. I've played MMOs for almost 20 years, including games with world-spawn raid bosses, but each and every one of them had a RELIABLE timer for its respawn so that if you missed it for whatever reason, you knew exactly (give or take maybe 30-90 minutes) when it would spawn again.
This completely inane 24-72 hours BS is absolutely ridiculous. We can't sit on the game 24 hours per day just to guarantee we will get this spawn. Many of us have jobs, families, and other responsibilities, so there's no way for us to spend hours and hours on the game just in the CHANCE we'll be around when this boss spawns.
I just found out that I missed the spawn by around 1 hour while I did chores around the house and ate dinner. I've been waiting for this boss for over a month, usually to discover I missed it by minutes or hours at most. This is totally unacceptable for rewards that amount to consolation prizes. I could totally understand if the gear was iLvl 90+ or otherwise extremely special... but it's not. It's practically useless. Hell, you can't even glamour the armor!
One of two things needs to be done to fix it:
- A set respawn timer. If you don't want it to be exactly the same each time (to allow for a procession of the respawn, for instance), have it be something like xx hours +/- up to yy minutes, or something. That way people would know about when to log on and would only have to wait yy * 2 minutes at most.
- A way to see the estimated time of the next respawn. Again, this could be approximate, with a small amount of variability around the respawn (E.G.: 'Odin will spawn again on 5/24 at approximately 10:13pm' with the 'approximately' being a buffer of +/- some amount of minutes).
Fix this, and fix Behemoth while you're at it, too. Seriously.
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05-25-2014, 11:49 AMTheRogueXOdin Spawn Timer
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05-25-2014, 11:58 AMDoctaruRavenbe
Funny this exact time frame was ok for Behemoth, King Artho etc back in FFXI. the only difference here is he walks the entire shroud.
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05-25-2014, 12:00 PMTheRogueX
I just thought of an obvious 3rd option though:
3. Make the FATE rewards tradeable. If you want the furniture to still be rare, have it be a different drop from the FATE that is untradeable.
I didn't play FFXI. I wouldn't have been OK with it then either. Though I was younger then and had about 100% fewer responsibilities, so I probably wouldn't have cared as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe
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05-25-2014, 12:11 PMBarboron
Why even bother with Odin? His drops are worthless. If you were on the Odin server I would be more than happy to assist, I run a very successful LS there. I have absolutely everything and too many mantles left over. The stuff is complete crap with exception to the sword. You're even admitting the worthlessness in your post and yet you complain? It's just odd. Either way, forget the stuff and move on unless you want to cling on to some hope that something decent is released later on. Personally, I would love a Sleipnir mount (not the shit barding). It's vanity and bragging rights crap and even then the braggings rights aren't worth it. I obsessed over Odin for some time too and then found myself quite disappointed with the gear.
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05-25-2014, 12:16 PMTheRogueXAgain, this is precisely why I think the spawn timer is beyond ridiculous. Why are they making worthless rewards so rare?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barboron
See, now that would be something that, to me, would make the difficulty of catching the spawn make more sense. Though, just making the gear higher than iLvl 50 (or somehow upgradeable) would be a step in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barboron
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05-25-2014, 12:17 PMHuntingtonAre you wearing a High Allagan helmet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barboron
What he said though, some of the stuff like the sword and barding is nice for having, but you can't do anything with the body armor and by this point it isn't as relevant. Unless you really want it to make a set for showing off in low level roulettes and such then there isn't much point to it. -
05-25-2014, 12:19 PMKaze3434
im not sure how either of them need "fixing". both have ways to know they are there. behemoth has his blizzard and odin has his mist. other than that, you have the massive amount of pf groups and shouts that will start filling the chat log. not paying attention to those things seems like a personal problem that could be fixed a lot faster than doing anything to these bosses. if you have been waiting a month for one thing that seems kinda insane seeing as how they have both been spawning like crazy. back when they first started, it seemed like they were on a weekly/biweekly timer, and that timer wasnt for sure. they could spawn early or late.
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05-25-2014, 12:24 PMBarboronThat's the goldsmith gear, the pics are slow to refresh since I only wear it for like 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntington
Anyway, even the barding is terrible. The barding was the first thing I bought and THAT is when the disappointment kicked in. I should have went with the sword. It is the only good looking thing to come from Odin right now. If Odin is up, I still go for the fight. I have more mantles than I need. -
05-25-2014, 12:25 PMTheRogueXBoth of which require you to be on the game precisely when they occur, without knowing in any way, shape, or form when they will occur.. just that it will happen sometime between 24-72 hours after the last time it was killed. I'm sorry, but that's a 48 hour window, and I don't know about you, but I can't just sit around, awake, on the game, for 48 straight hours waiting for the boss to spawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
Err, it's sorta hard to pay attention to all of that if you aren't in game, isn't it? Unless you mean it's a personal problem that I don't play 24/7, or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
See? Why can't they just make the Mantle a tradeable object, and have some other Odin drop untradeable for the furniture? Same for Behemoth, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barboron
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05-25-2014, 12:31 PMKaze3434true, but seeing as how they both seem to spawn during high time on the servers, its not hard to be on when they spawn, baring working during said high time. not like anything from them is useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRogueX
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05-25-2014, 12:40 PMBarboronI think making them tradeable would destroy what little worth it has. Even though the body can't be glamoured, if I ever do wear it, I like to know that I earned it. Look out for a LS on your server or even make one! Here's a link to a forum post for the LS I made. Sure there are no responses but having that thread there and posting it on reddit caused it to take off very quickly. My LS consisted mainly of FC members first just to get a good foundation. Check that post I made and you can see the spreadsheet also, do something like that and you could hopefully get a shit load of dedicated people. More people means more eyes to watch. And because the LS is for Odin and Behemoth, it's common courtesy for people to invite others from the LS as we share a common interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRogueX
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05-25-2014, 04:28 PMTheRogueX
I'm actually in a LS that watches for the spawns, but that doesn't help me if one of them spawns while I'm offline. The problem isn't related to it spawning when I'm on the game, it's the fact that the spawns are so incredibly unpredictable that I haven't been able to be on at the same time as the spawn. I don't even really care if the spawn isn't on a set timer, so long as once the spawn time is set after one of them is killed, there's a way to know approximately when it will spawn again, give or take 1.5-2 hours or so.
They could even gate this information easily, by making some sort of quest you had to do that didn't even open up until x amount of hours after the last time it spawned and died. Complete the quest, you somehow "predict" the next time their aetheric energies will converge, giving you a date and maybe like a 2-4 hour time window when the spawn will occur. -
05-25-2014, 04:45 PMDoubleT
if you are in a odin/behe ls then you are doing all u can do. just try to take solace in the fact that these 2 fates are just for fun, an your game isnt going to break if you dont get all of your mantles/horns this week, there is always next time
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05-25-2014, 04:58 PMTetsaru
They could just do it how GW2 does it:
- Have world bosses spawn once approximately every 2 or 3 hours, so that people have a decent chance to encounter them regardless of when they can play. Make it predictable enough so that timers such as these can be made for each server.
- Players can participate as many times as they want, but can only receive the rewards (i.e., Odin's Mantles, Behemoth Horns, etc.) once per day to prevent them from being too common. Players will then be more motivated to try and get gold so that they earn more horns/mantles for that day.
Other things they could do:
- Bronze rating should be 1 item; silver could be 3; gold can remain 5. It's frustrating to show up late to these events and end up not getting anything even though you put in a decent amount of DPS, healing, etc. This way, in conjunction with the "one reward per day," would reward doing a good job, while also rewarding general participation.
- Release a multi-part version of the Herklaedi armor (body, arms, legs, and feet pieces) for glamour purposes, or other new items so that players still have a motivation to participate in these events.
- Make the items also tradeable for things such as tomestones or GC seals, in case you have all the rewards already or simply aren't interested in them.
- Introduce new world bosses, and/or have other "lesser" world bosses (Lazy Lawrence, Gorgimera, Cancer, etc.) drop token items instead of minions. Have new rewards you can get from trading in items dropped from their respective bosses (minions could be one of these).
- If you REALLY want to encourage participation, have certain new gear drop from these bosses (such as ilvl110 Odin armor), but have the drop rate extremely low, sorta like how Atmas are now. Trade-in rewards could also be included so that you don't have to spend your tokens if you're lucky. -
05-25-2014, 05:35 PMMalamasala
Still have only seen Odin twice and never Behemoth as a casual player who enjoys vanity. So to me putting vanity items on such a thing is just incredibly crazy.
Only real solution is to make everyone participating get the items, and allow them to be sold. That way people will participate to make money, and those who miss it can buy items to get their vanity stuff.
The alternative with popping them every 3 hours is good in theory, but people would get what they wanted and stop doing it and then you have to beat Odin and Behemoth with groups the size of 3-12. Which means nerfing the fates so they can be done solo. -
05-25-2014, 05:43 PMCherie
I think the point of Odin and Behemoth *are* that the rewards are useless vanity items.
It is said in this thread that for all the trouble it is to track down Odin and Behemoth that the rewards should be worthwhile. I disagree. Do you realize how upsetting it would be if you "missed him by a hour" and now lost a chance at some meaningful item?
It's the whole basis of this game, that anything requiring luck or having some difficultly should at best give you something meaningless. People get their cranky pants on with even a hint of some low-droprate uber items of old (like ffxi). Or if there was some boss that was super difficult that dropped a good item? That bosses drop table will eventually get moved to a fuzzy sheep right outside the starting area.
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05-25-2014, 08:17 PMBarboronGold actually gives you 5 if you finish the FATE, 1 if the FATE is failed. Personally, I think it's fine the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsaru
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05-25-2014, 08:21 PMTetsaruWhoops, my bad lol, I'll fix that. I was more concerned with being able to get at least 1 from actually doing the FATE. I remember before they patched it, it was difficult to even get silver, so a lot of people ended up getting nothing despite actively participating in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barboron
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05-25-2014, 08:30 PMDelsus
What you could do is join an Odin/behemoth LS (if they are still around) and ask someone to send you a /tell when he pops, crank your volume right up, do what you need to, and listen for the chime.
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05-25-2014, 08:36 PMTeganLaron
It isn't meant to be reliable though. People aren't meant to be going "It's 17:42 on a Tuesday, Odin is up!" He's just kind of a random thing. I've missed spawns by minutes in the past, but that's just the way it goes. It's not as if he has gamebreaking drops, it's just for fun.
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05-25-2014, 09:30 PMAliceVirgin
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Can you QQ anymore? I work 60 hours a week I travel a lot for work and you cant play this game with Hotel Wifi so this game is weekend orny. Even on the weekends my Spouse and my Friends come first you know that silly thing where you interact with people in RL and spots also come before the game... Yet I have seen people shout for Odin/Behemoth plenty of times. I would really love to see how you can say you need to play 24/7. Its more like you just want to QQ because you would rather spend your time myth farming when they spawn and don't leave your "leet group" to do other stuff.... Or you don't ever check your LS/FC chats when in said instances because you know your so close to killing Ifrit HM... please quit QQing -
05-26-2014, 08:37 AMQuizyeah and it wasnt ok in XI either. HNM was like mos eisley on crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe
Was gonna say "OP must be new to SE MMOs" then I saw he never played XI. You're just lucky you missed the XI version.
Imagine odin as it is now, but only the first party to touch him could get the reward, sans wiping.
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05-26-2014, 03:41 PMTheRogueXlol? What? Nice assumptions there. I'm on a LS for Odin/Behemoth. In all the time I've been in that LS and have been high enough level to actually get a Gold medal, Behemoth spawned once and *I* was the person who called it out on the LS. All of the rest of the time I've been in the game, they've not spawned at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliceVirgin
Anyway, the latter half of your post is hilarious, full of ignorant assumptions about a person you don't know. I haven't even attempted Ifrit HM yet. I have 1 piece of Myth gear. I don't have time to 'myth farm' with a 'leet group;' my lack of time for the game is part of what has made me upset about this absurd timer. Look at my Lodestone before you make assumptions that make you look like an idiot.
I'm really glad, then, that I didn't play XI, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiz