SE FIX This Exploit.... Bug..

So many people are getting fed up of people who leave a dungeon and not being penalized and using the exploit of leaving the dungeon before the duty starts or within 30 seconds of the duty commencing by running back out the front door. They use this method to ditch a dungeon within a certain time period and escape the 30 minute penalty timer... just because they are paladin or healer and they get insta queue and feel entitled and dont care because nothing is being done about them deserting players and wrecking the game play and purpose of duty roulette ..... and really for the people out there who don't have jobs level'd and don't want to play a healer or tank and are die hard dragoons for example should not be punished by people who feel entitled because they know they can get insta queue. This really needs to be addressed!!! They don't get brayflox its instant bail until they get it.

Well for starters how putting it in the bug section or even post in one of the hundreds of other threads about the same subject.

Sidenote I main monk and all duty roulette are almost instant.

actually I have tested this was out in 1.x seconds with someone still watching cutscene and still got the penalty (I didn't leave because it was a dungeon I didn't like, something happened irl suddenly and had to go, I was gonna be away for more than 30 mins anyway, shit happens)

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Originally Posted by Yurihyuga

actually I have tested this was out in 1.x seconds with someone still watching cutscene and still got the penalty (I didn't leave because it was a dungeon I didn't like, something happened irl suddenly and had to go, I was gonna be away for more than 30 mins anyway, shit happens)

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Happened to me as well, and also got the Penalty, so i don´t know "how" they do it and avoid the penalty... i always got it, and while i am not proud of leaving (but like you said, sometimes RL hits) it´s no matter cause im away for 30+ anyway...

but avoiding it, i never noticed that...

such behavior missed me the Animus run through Pharos, tank said "sorry, I hate this dungeon" and left... ^^ which i dont understand, he had a bunch of >90 ppl with him, this would have been a gift...

Tried this with Pharos (wasn't in the mood to run it, it's not hard but 2 out of 3 times, the pugs are terrible at 1st boss, wasting a lot of time on it, potentially causing a vote abandon), still got penalty.

You dont get the penalty if you access the dungeon via roulette, regardless of when you leave.

Tested it multiple times, even in the middle of the dungeon and never got any penalty.

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Originally Posted by Youmadesca

You dont get the penalty if you access the dungeon via roulette, regardless of when you leave.

Tested it multiple times, even in the middle of the dungeon and never got any penalty.

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Did that and got penalty every time.

Well i'm talking about expert roulette, idk about the other ones. But i personally never got penalty leaving during a roulette, including mid-dungeon.

Brayflox HM via roulette. WHM was so horribly bad I left, got penalty.

First rule of reporting exploits: report it privately and don't tell people how to reproduce it.

Maybe all the people leaving are just "testing" lol.

This is an mmorpg; a game you play with real life people. If you cut out the real life variable then you might as well be playing a solo game. Real life people do odd things. If you make to many rules you take the "life" out of a game (or anything else we touch) and we might as well all be npc's.

That said, I have never been the first person to leave a dungeon even when I was suppose to be somewhere in real life - yet. I give people in cyber space weight and try to treat them fairly. But if I had an emergency I would go. People leaving right when we start a dungeon does happen way to often. I play DD and I'm willing to queue up again. There is no rule SE could make to fix this. It's the human element. It makes me appreciate more people who stick out an entire dungeon with me. But if you peeps have an emergency and have to go then go. This is just a game. Real life is more important.

This is not an exploit or a bug. It is a decent topic to discuss tho.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

First rule of reporting exploits: report it privately and don't tell people how to reproduce it.

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There was already a whole thread describing how to get no penalty when you leave df parties mid way.
All it involved was simply clicking the
Top right checkbox on the duty finder list.
You know the "join party in pr******"
One?
Apparently it does work as i did it a few times unknowingly till i read tht thread and was like hmmmmmmm
Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

There was already a whole thread describing how to get no penalty when you leave df parties mid way.
All it involved was simply clicking the
Top right checkbox on the duty finder list.
You know the "join party in pr******"
One?
Apparently it does work as i did it a few times unknowingly till i read tht thread and was like hmmmmmmm
Interesting.

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Top left checkbox lol my bad*

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

just because they are paladin or healer and they get insta queue and feel entitled and dont care because nothing is being done about them deserting players and wrecking the game play and purpose of duty roulette .....

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Yeah this morning I went in as healer to low and expert, low was Haukke Manor and expert was Lost City both times the DPS left. What cracks me up is DPS including myself whine about long ques but then they do this? I even changed to whm to get in even though I hate healing most things expert. Now the low level was easy as the tank, BLM and myself just did it trio style. One fix I see would be to scale the dungeons the party size since you clearly don't need a full group for most or even do 3 man dungeons or even 2 man and adjust the rewards and treasure chests.

Edit: I'd also like to add that here lately even on whm it's not always insta que

After getting 11 tam-tara's in a row on low level roulette, i'm going to leave regardless. Penalty or no penalty. Its nothing personal. Its between me, the duty finder, and and tam-terrible deepcroft.

Well, that would explain the last two days of DFR. Instant it was anything but Brayflox half of the party left two days in a row, we'll see if the pattern holds. I don't particularly enjoy spending half an hour in DF waiting for my roulette as it is but then having to go through that all over again because some asshats don't like the dungeon they got is beyond infuriating.

tuesday soldiery tome reset time for the people to start bailing because its not brayflox HM day.......

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

After getting 11 tam-tara's in a row on low level roulette, i'm going to leave regardless. Penalty or no penalty. Its nothing personal. Its between me, the duty finder, and and tam-terrible deepcroft.

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THIS GUY...

I can understand you, perfectly understand you... Whatever using tank or dps or healer, whenever I go duty roulette... It is or Tamtara or Thousand Maws, and god, I'm TIRED of those, and their landscape is just ridiculous, the same, monotonous, singular, repetitive, koboldly, the same.

Can't stand those, it is a ragequit, nothing personal with the party members but... It is a problem of the duty finder, it should make me do different dungeons, not always the same ones I HATE.



About it the penalty or not penalty, I joined with tank one day to roulette, it was too late and I decided the following: "If it is Lost city of amdapor, I log out and go bed". It was lost city, I quitted, but noticed that there was no penalty so thought... "Why not?" next one was brayflox and I capped quickly my soldiery the monday night.

But I don't know exactly when the penalization appears or not, tried other day for curiosity and got penalized.

OP is wrong when you leave a dungeon you get a penalty. I have never not gotten a 30 min penalty when I have left a dungeon i didn't want to do.

I think it's broken because last time I had to use it there was no penalty of any kind.

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

tuesday soldiery tome reset time for the people to start bailing because its not brayflox HM day.......

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I personally like Halitali HM myself! :P

While it is said that the reward for Tanks who have been working hard all this time is the Warlion/Bear Mounts, They will always be 2nd place to this!

#Tanklife #ItsTheDamnTanksFault #Someone'sGottaDoit

I've only ever quit one group that was sooooooo bad I couldn't see a way to win.

I was shocked when I was able to re queue as soon as I got out.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I think it's broken because last time I had to use it there was no penalty of any kind.

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In Progress or a 100% fresh DF?
If In Progress then maybe someone left before you. You don't get the penalty if you are not the first who leave.

You get the penalty if you leave a full group, whether or not someone else had already left the group before.

I bailed once from a terrible 24/24 crystal tower run that had had many replacements already. Still got hit with a penalty.

I'm pretty sick and tired of getting hit with Thousand Maws over and over again, tanking it or healing it is even more dull... but I won't drop out unless a RL issue comes up suddenly.

DPS ques can be horrid and I just feel like it's not right to drop out when they could have been waiting for ages to get a party just for it to fall apart and then return back to the waiting >.>

The effects wouldn't be so pronounced if they would can the whole "option to select a dungeon in progress" and just do what every other game on the entire planet does - you get filtered into the duty you get filtered into, period. If you REALLY want a fresh run of a specific dungeon, queue the dungeon by itself.

The fact that sometimes people get the 30 minute penalty before they can join again, but sometimes they don't, sounds like a bug. Whatever the rule is, if it was working correctly, it would be consistent. And I'm pretty sure the rule is (as it should be) that if you leave you get the penalty for leaving.

The fact that you're able to start Duty Roulette any number of times and keep leaving while still having the Roulette bonus available for another try at it, is an exploit. It defeats the purpose of the Roulette reward while ruining the game for other players.

Both should be fixed. Roulette should get you one chance per day at a dungeon, and you should need to complete it if you want the reward for that day. And leaving any DF dungeon (whether Roulette or not) should give the delay-before-requeuing penalty.

yes i agree both need fixing niwashi :)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Roulette should get you one chance per day at a dungeon, and you should need to complete it if you want the reward for that day.

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You have no control over the party so you are saying people can lose their rewards just because they got stuck with bad players who can't complete it in 90 minutes?

For those of you ditching and not getting the penalty, are you the first to ditch every time? I know if you ditch when the party isn't full you don't get the penalty. Though it mostly sound like this isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Stuff

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This person already explained how to join a roulette and bail whenever you want with no penalty.

I have never been able to leave without a penalty unless someone else leaves first or 30 minuts has passed.
not even if I leave while others are still in CS. but I have had others in my LS/FC tell me they have done it.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Roulette should get you one chance per day at a dungeon, and you should need to complete it if you want the reward for that day.

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You have no control over the party so you are saying people can lose their rewards just because they got stuck with bad players who can't complete it in 90 minutes?

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Yes.

It certainly beats the current system, where a lot of people are getting screwed out of their DR rewards, loot, and any other reason they have to be there, because they can't get a dungeon run at all.

Getting stuck with a group that can't complete a dungeon in 90 minutes of actually trying to do so would be pretty rare. Getting stuck with jerks who leave dungeons at the start because they know they can just keep queuing DR again as many times as they want is (unfortunately) not nearly rare enough.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Yes.

It certainly beats the current system, where a lot of people are getting screwed out of their DR rewards, loot, and any other reason they have to be there, because they can't get a dungeon run at all.

Getting stuck with a group that can't complete a dungeon in 90 minutes of actually trying to do so would be pretty rare. Getting stuck with jerks who leave dungeons at the start because they know they can just keep queuing DR again as many times as they want is (unfortunately) not nearly rare enough.

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I get parties like that for Pharos too often, even though it's been nerfed.

Either way, the bug was fixed.