Discussion regarding beast tribe naming conventions.

That's all we get to know about Moogle naming conventions? :( I always wanted to know all about how moogles are named! /sadpanda

Also, welcome back from the grave Ferne!

Welcome back to the world of occasional posting, Mr. Halwes! Hope your Void sabbatical went well.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I always wanted to know all about how moogles are named!

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All you've gotta do is ask and we'll always at least take a look and do our best.

Moogle Name Analysis

Here's a list of all the moogles I've ever met.

Kuplo Kopp
Kupta Kapa
Kupdi Koop
Kupli Kipp
Kupqu Kogi
Kupcha Kupa
Kuplu Kopo
Kupni Kapp

Pukla Puki
Puksi Piko
Pukna Pako
Pukno Poki
Pukni Pakk

I'm sure you can see some patterns unlike to be by chance. Now, none of this is definitive but here are some guesses based on this.

First Name: Two syllables, often (but not always) five letters (the exception may be in two-letter singular sounds like CH or TH):

[GENDER LETTER] + U + [OTHER GENDER LETTER] + [ANY(?) CONSANT(S) OF THE MOOGLE LANGUAGE] + [ANY (?) VOWEL THAT'S NOT "E"]

Last Name: One to two syllables, always(?) four letters, resulting in the following options:
[GENDER LETTER] + [ANY (?) VOWEL THAT'S NOT "E"] + [OTHER GENDER LETTER] + [ANY (?) VOWEL THAT'S NOT "E"]
OR
[GENDER LETTER] + [ANY (?) VOWEL THAT'S NOT "E"] + [OTHER GENDER LETTER x 2]
OR
[GENDER LETTER] + [ANY (?) VOWEL THAT'S NOT "E" x 2 ] + [OTHER GENDER LETTER]

You'll notice that, for first names, our outlier is Kupcha, which is the inspiration for the two-letter one-sound rule above.

Similarly, for last names, our outlier is Kogi. He is the only Moogle I've seen so far to not have the other gender letter as the third letter of his last name. This may imply that it is common but not a rule for this convention to be followed.

I also don't think it's a coincidence for the most popular letters in moogle culture, the R-S-T-L-N-E of Mooglekind, so to speak, are the letters in KUPO. Kupopopopopo.

/cheer <Anonymoose>

Done and done.

I also made sure to copy paste my guessing game just in case this post was not intended to be reply-to-able and they clean us out, lol.

I was hoping to learn more about Goblins. I know that males will end in -ix while females end in -ox, however their last name always seems to be more descriptive than anything.
Also a Gobbieflock tongueflap wordbook (Goblin language dictionary) would always be a welcome post!

Glad to see you back on the Lodestone, Fernehalwes! This is some great lore-sauce you're ladling out, and I'm looking forward to a second helping! I mean, there must be more in store, or else why's there a roman numeral I at the end of the title, right?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I was hoping to learn more about Goblins.

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I started to look at goblin names, but decided to hold back because it seemed like there were a few kinks to be ironed out. For instance, Brayflox was originally referred to in the masculine, and Sweetnix was referred to in the masculine in 1.0 and the feminine at ARR launch (though with Sweetnix Rosycheeks taking so much pride in his beauty, I can see where a mistake might be easy to make sans gender pronouns, lol). I also think, as Quintalian says above, the numeral I implies goblin naming conventions are to be extrapolated on at a later date. For what it's worth, here are some barely coherent and probably incorrect notes I from last time I gave it a shot.

From what I can gather, the surname is related to their occupation and the forename is an adjective name similar to Roegadyn names that is related to the occupation, playing on the word in such a way that the gender can be identified. Goblins seem to have a very "you are your job" mindset in some respects, and the names may even have been assumed long after birth - think about real-world surnames like Baker, Smith, Carpenter, Fisher, Miller, Shepherd. Someone with a job took these up somewhere along the line.

Mutamix Bubblypots
A former Illuminati member who specializes in conversion and melding of materia.
Possibly from Muto (Latin for change/transform; see mutate) for changing gear into materia + ix for male, possibly with a play on "mix" in addition to "Bubblypots" for alchemist.

Stickflix Grumblytoss
A goblin known for making explosives and doing combat with them.
Possibly from literally flicking sticks of dynamite and tossing bombs - boompots - grumblies!

Brayflox Alltalks
An enterprising goblin that led a group to begin a new settlement (or longstop); former quartermaster in the Company of Heroes
Bray (to shout) + flox (possibly a play on flocks, as she calls the group she led to her longstop her gobbieflock)
Alltalks possibly for her leadership position - the boss - shouting orders perhaps...

This also seems to happen when the goblin in question is known for not having an occupation and primarily doing/being something else.

Tryptix Stumblemox
A simple-minded brute hired as a mercenary
Possibly a pun of "trip and stumble" linked with the spelling for things related to trypsin, particularly tryptophan (which carries associations of drowsiness).

Wormwix Scribbletalk
An eccentric (possibly mad) trafficker of contraband such as the Necrologos
Scribbletalk relates to writing (books) and can be used as a goblin term for babble / incoherent speech whereas wormwix may related wormwood (bitter herb symbolizing affliction and used in the production of absinthe) or the term "bookworm" (or both).

The mythic and legendary Ferne! I can only hope that this leads to more delightful lore.

I really wish they had gone into a bit more detail about the amaljaa! Even if gender doesn't matter!

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Done and done.

I also made sure to copy paste my guessing game just in case this post was not intended to be reply-to-able and they clean us out, lol.

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It almost feels like you work for the lore team when you're so keen on things like this xD good work that's very interesting (granted it's not official)

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Brayflox Alltalks
An enterprising goblin that led a group to begin a new settlement (or longstop); former quartermaster in the Company of Heroes
Bray (to shout) + flox (possibly a play on flocks, as she calls the group she led to her longstop her gobbieflock)
Alltalks possibly for her leadership position - the boss - shouting orders perhaps...

This also seems to happen when the goblin in question is known for not having an occupation and primarily doing/being something else.

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I kind of always thought her last name suited her, as she seems to be "all talk" when it comes to battle, as she has been quite useless despite her efforts! Hahaha.

The lv.30 Bard quest:

Has a moogle named Pukno Poki and Jehantel says "I would have you present yourself to him." And "I made a promise to him then,". And "I have been ill able to oblige him"...

so............?

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Originally Posted by Kyan

I kind of always thought her last name suited her, as she seems to be "all talk" when it comes to battle, as she has been quite useless despite her efforts! Hahaha.

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Hey man, she can Provoke like the best of them.
Then again, she doesn't always pass it off to the right player...

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I also think, as Quintalian says above, the numeral I implies goblin naming conventions are to be extrapolated on at a later date.

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Yoshi-P did state in one of his translated interviews that they were drafting up a rather lengthy questline (probably bigger than the current beast tribes) concerning the Goblins, so we may get more info then.

Also, welcome back Ferne. :)

Greetings,

Please use this thread to discuss Beast Tribe Naming Conventions I posted by Fernehalwes.
(the replies posted to that thread will be moved here)

Hello all!

It's good to be back. 7 months was far too long to be afk...

Sorry about the ninja post yesterday sans pomp-and-circumstance, but we've been scrambling to wrap up 2.28 goodness, and the plan was to put it on a back burner, but a similar post made its way onto the JP forums and I didn't want you guys to be left waiting.

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

I mean, there must be more in store, or else why's there a roman numeral I at the end of the title, right?

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Well, we still haven't covered Sahagin, kobolds, goblins, Qiqirn, or Mamool Ja...so if I were in your shoes I'd be expecting at least a "II". I'll see what the JP side has planned, and work towards getting something done. (Though like has been mentioned, the quest team is thinking of revealing a lot in the beast tribe dailies, so we'll have to wait and see what can go where).

I want a beast tribe of Hunberct Longhaft.

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Originally Posted by zeth07

The lv.30 Bard quest:

Has a moogle named Pukno Poki and Jehantel says "I would have you present yourself to him." And "I made a promise to him then,". And "I have been ill able to oblige him"...

so............?

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Are you asking is this a moogle with a woogle or that are are moogles male?

Good to have you back, Master Fernehalwes.

May our many hours of curiosity and loremongering provide us all with an immeasurable amount of ongoing entertainment.

I have always hoped for a Sylph named Dyslexia.... ._.

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Hello all!

It's good to be back. 7 months was far too long to be afk...

Sorry about the ninja post yesterday sans pomp-and-circumstance, but we've been scrambling to wrap up 2.28 goodness, and the plan was to put it on a back burner, but a similar post made its way onto the JP forums and I didn't want you guys to be left waiting.



Well, we still haven't covered Sahagin, kobolds, goblins, Qiqirn, or Mamool Ja...so if I were in your shoes I'd be expecting at least a "II". I'll see what the JP side has planned, and work towards getting something done. (Though like has been mentioned, the quest team is thinking of revealing a lot in the beast tribe dailies, so we'll have to wait and see what can go where).

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Welcome back! I was sad that I killed you in game.

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Originally Posted by zeth07

The lv.30 Bard quest:

Has a moogle named Pukno Poki and Jehantel says "I would have you present yourself to him." And "I made a promise to him then,". And "I have been ill able to oblige him"...

so............?

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Maybe Jehantel is just really bad at telling male and female moogles apart and/or doesn't know/remember the naming convention?

EDIT: It also says "will often have," not "always," so maybe his name is just one of those uncommon cases.

Here's my question about a naming convention:

For the Ixali, what happens if on the super exceedingly rare chance that the wind doesn't blow upon the birth of an Ixal?

Would it just be named... Like...

Just L... or S... or something? Without a root ending?

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

I have always hoped for a Sylph named Dyslexia.... ._.

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Don't you mean a Slyph named Dyslexia?

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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I think it may be a little more simple than that. Given how Moogles are tied to the Twelveswood like the Keeper clan of Miqo'te, I'm thinking the last syllable could represent a family line or clan.

All males have KUP
All females have PUK (opposite letters for opposite genders)

for example,
Kupni Kapp would be a male (Kup) of the 'ni clan.
Pukni Pakk would be a female (Puk) of the 'ni clan as well.

Given the moogle's apparent love of alliteration, their "name" simply starts with same letter as their gender. This would mean their last name is actually their given name, and their first name is part of their surname.
So we have Kipp who is a male of the 'li family. He is called Kupli Kipp.

Granted we know nothing of moogle lore outside of what the devs release, but this is simply speculation and how I have envisioned them given the similarities in their names and the naming conventions of other races.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I'm thinking the last syllable could represent a family line or clan. <...> this is simply speculation

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It's good speculation, for what it's worth. For now, I just went with the more open-door explanation in case something like you're proposing did not turn out to be the case and matching syllables were coincidence; following the old "you can always saw the board again if it's too long, but once it's too short it's too short" rule. I wouldn't be surprised if you're on to something, though.

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Originally Posted by Tiamat

Welcome back! I was sad that I killed you in game.

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All is forgiven. I'll just keep respawning. ;)

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Here's my question about a naming convention:

For the Ixali, what happens if on the super exceedingly rare chance that the wind doesn't blow upon the birth of an Ixal?

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Good question. Most Ixali fledglings are born in the canyons of Xelphatol, so rare is a day when the wind does not blow, even a little. Therefore, to the Ixal (a very superstitious race, who rely heavily on augury in their everyday lives) being born on a day without wind is considered a terrible omen, and such newborns are cast from their nests (to put it kindly) as to not bring misfortune upon the tribe. However, some Ixali parents (like any parent of any race, I suppose) reluctant to sacrifice their brood will falsely claim they felt a gust even though there was none and use an name of one of the four winds to spare their child.

I hope that helps!

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

All is forgiven. I'll just keep respawning. ;)



Good question. Most Ixali fledglings are born in the canyons of Xelphatol, so rare is a day when the wind does not blow, even a little. Therefore, to the Ixal (a very superstitious race, who rely heavily on augury in their everyday lives) being born on a day without wind is considered a terrible omen, and such newborns are cast from their nests (to put it kindly) as to not bring misfortune upon the tribe. However, some Ixali parents (like any parent of any race, I suppose) reluctant to sacrifice their brood will falsely claim they felt a gust even though there was none and use an name of one of the four winds to spare their child.

I hope that helps!

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Whoa and I thought they where more civilized then that.

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Originally Posted by Macka

Whoa and I thought they where more civilized then that.

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Hahahahaha. No.

I'm a little confused with the term "birth" - are Ixali born live or hatched from eggs?

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Birth: the emergence of a baby or other young from the body of its mother; the start of life as a physically separate being.

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When it comes to "birth" of Ixali, I would have assumed that, perhaps like Sahagin and Amalj'aa, they would "hatch" considering they are bird-like beastmen. So would an Ixali "birth" occur at the time of their hatching?

Couple things I have questions about.

First: I remember reading somewhere (though I can't for the life of me remember where or find it now) that the original Moogle language is completely made up of only the word Kupo. So would that mean that these names are simply the closest translation to Eorzean?

Second: It would seem then that the good king Moggle Mog doesn't follow the naming convention of his people. Is it because he is a special being? Is he genderless? Is he the source of all things Moogle?

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Originally Posted by Kicha

Couple things I have questions about.

First: I remember reading somewhere (though I can't for the life of me remember where or find it now) that the original Moogle language is completely made up of only the word Kupo. So would that mean that these names are simply the closest translation to Eorzean?

Second: It would seem then that the good king Moggle Mog doesn't follow the naming convention of his people. Is it because he is a special being? Is he genderless? Is he the source of all things Moogle?

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I'm much more interested with why his name is Good King Moggle Mog and NOT Good King MOOGLE Mog.

I always read it as a ryhme in a song. Moogle Mog, Moogle Mog.

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Don't you mean a Slyph named Dyslexia?

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You just blew my mind.