Dear SE. I'd really like to see you continue the tradition you created with Dancer, that was mimicked in Warhammer Online with Warpriest.
And that is the Front Line Healer. A Cloth/Leather Wearing Melee Fighter who uses their melee attacks to fuel abilities that assist the party with healing and minor buffs like Haste, Regen, Protect, etc.
When Dancer came out on FFXI it literally became my favorite job and sub job. It changes how a player could play jobs like Warrior and Samurai. I could actually MAIN HEAL as a Samurai with Dancer Subbed. This was quite possibly one of the most fun side effects of the Dancer Jobs implementation.
Now I know, not everyone even likes the idea of a Front Line Healer. For some reason they hate the idea that a healer is on the front line, can deal damage. And Damage Dealt is used to Heal others. But I LOVE this idea. Its still very unique among MMO's, and i think FFXIV would benefit from a class and job that can perform this roll.
Front Line Healer
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07-20-2011, 03:55 AMCairdeasFront Line Healer
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07-20-2011, 03:57 AMSuzakuCMX
Sounds kinda...
...broken.
Anyways, I do miss the days of D&D Clerics, where the only healer for a while was the badass cleric with a huge hammer sitting up on the front line.... -
07-20-2011, 04:00 AMNikita
I agree, I would really like Dancer to make a return into FFXIV or at least something similar! :P Healing in FFXI always put me to sleep (I really hated it when I had to do it on my SMN -_-) and when they added Dancer, it was the first time I really enjoyed healing, even if it wasn't as powerful as a White Mage.
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07-20-2011, 04:01 AMCairdeas
How is it broken Suzaku? Dancer and Warpriest were some of the most fun, and most challenging (especially in large groups) job/class to play in their respective MMO's but its because you have to constantly be thinking about what manuevers you need to pull off to stay alive and keep them planned 5 steps ahead. Its more input work from the player for an awesome output.
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07-20-2011, 04:02 AMSuzakuCMXOh no no xD I was talking about main-healing as a SAM subbed DNC.Quote:
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07-20-2011, 04:03 AMCairdeasIt was awesome. I used it for our Kraken Club Runs in BCNM because I could use Meditate, WS, then heal the Summoners while they were trying to nuke the KrakenNM (can never remember his name.). It basically turned me into a Healtank.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-20-2011, 04:05 AMKiroh
There was really nothing ever stopping WHM in XI from being a DD except that it meant replacing healing and MP gear with melee, which parties would simply /rage about if you even dared. That, and the fact that MP took so damn long to recover...
In fact Hexa Strike was one of the stronger weapon skills (even compared to real melees) in the game, at least at the 75 cap.
In other words, jobs are what the playerbase makes of them. -
07-20-2011, 04:07 AMCairdeasQuote:
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Yeah. I saw a White Mage with the Mjolnir and a Kclub subbed ninja walk through ballista and basically one shot people with hexaclub. It was a beast. -
07-20-2011, 04:11 AMRabidSquirrelDancer is kinda broken when it comes to survival abilities. I will admit I am one of those envious thieves, though. But I'm also a ninja! Which is pretty darn broken too. Five shadow Utsusemi: Ni, four shadow Utsuemi: Ichi? Why thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-20-2011, 04:11 AMNikitaTrue, but even so, Dancer was more of an offensive healer and White Mage more defensive simply by their skillsets. For example, Dancer had Haste, Drain, and Aspir samba, which could only be applied by striking an enemy with your weapon, they had all sorts of steps that reduced enemy evasion, defense, etc. White Mage was more about buffing the party with protect and shell, maybe a haste here and there, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
Also, as far as WHM becoming a DD, as far as I remember they had to sacrifice some pretty nice staffs to do so, which had like +10% healing bonuses on them. Yes, jobs are what the playerbase makes of them but what the playerbase makes out of them depends on what abilities and traits are given to the jobs. -
07-20-2011, 04:12 AMSuzakuCMXWas there a nonbroken class >.> Besides Summoner? Or was Summoner broken too?Quote:
Originally Posted by RabidSquirrel
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07-20-2011, 04:15 AMNikitaSummoner was broken in that it was for the most part useless other than being a glorified White Mage. It was used a bit at end game until zerg rushes came into the picture. nvm I guess... >_> I'm not sure why, but Summoner isn't really popular in Abyssea.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-20-2011, 04:27 AMDemaciaThere were no broken classes tbh. Keyword were. NIN and WAR are pretty OP nowadays. Dancer is just an amazing class all around but it's not overpowered by any means (It's also my new main in FFXI).Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-20-2011, 04:31 AMEekikiI agree. It requires careful balancing, but SE kinda nailed it in that department with XI's Dancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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07-20-2011, 04:35 AMDemacia
Warrior Priest was a bit much in WAR. It was kinda funny because whenever I'd encounter a healing class from the opposite faction (chaos I think), we would sit there whacking each other and healing ourselves so much that in the end we'd just give up and go our separate ways as we were never able to kill one another. Man that game was fun for like, two weeks.
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07-20-2011, 04:36 AMCairdeasThats why I always rolled with a WitchHunter with me in PVP. I'd tank and spank, and they would gank. Game over little Chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demacia
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07-20-2011, 04:46 AMEekikiI know!Quote:
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Me, I went with a White Lion in WAR. Lotsa fun, but yeah, only for a couple weeks.
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07-20-2011, 05:52 AMDuelleI'm not against it, but against it becoming subbable. Then again, I hated FFXI's concept of "subs for soloing", which is what Dancer in part became. I'm all for creating front-line healers, though. Just leave the melee-connected enfeebling to Red Mage this time around and we'll both be at peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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07-20-2011, 07:57 AMFerth
I loved my dancer... even though everyone made fun of my frilly shirt and tights. Atleast until I healbombed them for 900 HP stole hate then blink tanked the mob til it died.
More dancer!
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07-20-2011, 08:03 AMindira
froget the front line healers, do you really want to see everyone on top of the mob then all of a sudden it does a move to wipe the party and all the "its your fault" arguments. people already do it.
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07-20-2011, 08:12 AMNikitaI like the frills. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferth
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07-20-2011, 08:15 AMAeraLucis
Not sure if mages really need even more power and soloability in this game.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Dancer in FFXI, but in FFXIV I think the mages are pretty good right now in terms of their DD ability.
I'd be for this idea maybe down the road a bit, after re-balancing changes come with the upcoming battle changes. -
07-20-2011, 09:06 AMVanguard319
Dancer was one of my higher jobs as well (lv81) and it was a fun job since it could not only heal/support, but also tank if called to do so. It was also the only job OTHER than Samurai that could participate in 5~7 skillchains
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07-20-2011, 10:50 AMShikaree
This would be a little different play style, but I was expecting something more like a Chloromancer from Rift.
They would play different from Dancer too. Dancer has the front line role of attacking while supporting. The Chloromancer has the dual role of combining ranged spell damage with heal effects as a convert % as well as pure heal spells too from the back line.
As for how we work this into Final Fantasy, I'm not too sure. Geomancer maybe? Chloromancers do focus on nature based attacks. -
07-20-2011, 10:59 AMweeble
warhammer gave me a huge hate for front line healers, less u had pocket heals that knew what they was doing u didn't get healed right. mele healers always became mele classes over heal, they just healed themselves. they were a waist of life in a mmo. personally i'd like to see all healing done away with in pvp games, tired of them completly, they ruin pvp games and my good times. lmao or make every class abitly to self heal in different ways in them ...
but this game is a pve game so it can work, though i didn't ever remember running to grab a dancer for my grinds or anything for that matter. it can be a fun class though if done right but a class that can do both usually means they will do both half as good as a class that does one or the other witch can be a prob.
maybe have it a class that is solo like bst? i dunno if they make it so u can fix stats to be mele or heal stronger, we all know that class will be wishy woshy, u shout for a heal and u end up with one with mele stats that cant' heal u threw a boss or something after waisting hours in a dungeon. or what have u. but like i said this is a pve game so might work more then in pvp witch i have to repeat ...i hate dps healers. -
07-20-2011, 11:13 AMAramyth
The thing that I didn't like about DNC was that every melee would use it for a sub for soloing and small group things. But FFXI was/is broken with their MP regen.
For FFXIV, I'm not sure how they'd implement a front line healer, but I kind of hope that they don't. -
07-20-2011, 01:24 PMNephera
http://sl1nky.files.wordpress.com/20...man-cleric.jpg
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07-20-2011, 01:25 PMSuzakuCMXEw, at least use the 3.5e picQuote:
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07-20-2011, 01:50 PMKailok
I actually like the idea of battle priests. I know Rift had something like it called a Chloromancer which gave DoT heals through damage. From what I heard it was pretty fun. I'd like to see something like this in FFXIV as it's own class/job though, not a mix-match of class abilities.
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07-23-2011, 02:54 AMCairdeasFront Line Healers are rarely ever "Mages" They tend to use secondary power sources like "Faith" or "Rage (TP in FFXI/XIV)" or "Damage Counters" to power the healing. And very rarely do the magic stats power the healing its normally powered by Vit, Strength or Dex.Quote:
Originally Posted by AeraLucis
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07-23-2011, 02:59 AMSeikninkuruDid you not play Warhammer and only read the class description? Warrior Priest and Disciple of Khaine were the most simple and overpowered(and still are) healer classes to play. Because putting DPS, Mitigation, AOE and single target healing, as well as buffs on the same character is really gonna be balanced... lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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07-23-2011, 03:00 AMCairdeasYes it needs balanced but I'm not asking for Warpriest to be copy pasted either. I asked simply for a class that uses Melee damage dealt to power healing abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seikninkuru
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08-05-2011, 02:35 AMCairdeas
All in all, who would just like to see Dancer Return?