player base special task force.

Why doesnt SE recruit ingame players as a special task force to stop rmt? Give these players free to play months as i guess pay. Under agreement rules they are not allowed to say they are part of such group or they can be suspended or banned. Everytime one of them gets pmd about rmt they can file a ticket with a proper screenshot with the player name and such and get insta banned. If they are to dispute the case. Just look up the ticket by player name and review the screenshots and written report by the task force members.

Some rules and limitations. The task force must have been pmd by the person. No he said she said type deal. That way task force members dont abuse there power and just bann and body they feel like.

I recall ffxi having under cover special task force and in my 9 years player. I never seen 1 rmt shout on that game.

Not only does the character get banned but also the account.

I used to do something similar in another MMO and the program was very effective at weeding out both RMT and troublesome players. The downside to the program was that it was difficult to find players who had a true commitment to their duty. Many lost interest because it required going above and beyond, especially since it would eat into your playtime. There was a handful of us that stuck around though until real life reared its ugly head. Yes it was a volunteer role with an interview process (did have some perks as the GMs way of saying thank you).

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I used to do something similar in another MMO and the program was very effective at weeding out both RMT and troublesome players. The downside to the program was that it was difficult to find players who had a true commitment to their duty. Many lost interest because it required going above and beyond, especially since it would eat into your playtime. There was a handful of us that stuck around though until real life reared its ugly head. Yes it was a volunteer role with an interview process (did have some perks as the GMs way of saying thank you).

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Also seen this in another game too *-*
then two major things happened after a few months lawl
One being mistrust grew against these players as rumors, screenshots and evidence of abuse of power, lying and cheating found it's way to the forums against these players. Whether they were true or not I sure as heck don't know, but the point is it caused lots of drama and discrimination of these volunteer in game moderators.
The other being the fact at least a good chunk of them did turn into self absorbed jerks lol i met quite a few and they always acted like they had a stick up their rear end 8D But ofcourse that statement is limited to only a few I actually met out of like a few dozen. Like the 8 or so I met out of the 30 or so my server had.
My opinion would be that if SE did something like this, then just have these players direct access to a GM or separate team that is not a general in game player to say "hey, RTM spammer here" rather than just give the player the ability to use the ban hammer lol

Because players are biased and don't have to follow strict guidelines. And if those players DO have to follow the same guidelines as GMs, the process will change 0%. They'll still have to go through everything the GM has to go through before banning someone. It's not so simple as seeing someone who is obviously botting then banning.

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I recall ffxi having under cover special task force and in my 9 years player. I never seen 1 rmt shout on that game.

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Point #1. The STFU were SE employees not Players.

Point #2. Not seening an RMT Tell your shout in XI in that time frame is a bold face lie. That would put of into the 2006 - 2008 when they had a massive RMT problem.
Christmas 2007 gil hit 75 cents per million on most servers avg was about $1 per mill. it was and economic meltdown.

Point #3. It sounds great in theroy, never works well in practice. your Police should never have something to gain or have motive to remove competition.

I know they were employees; never said they wernt. Xi gil never hit 75 cents a mil. As much useless as gil is now in xi it still doesnt get that low. Removing rmt is not compition. Realistically speakinh if i owned an mmo i wpuldnt get rid of rmts either and im sure se looks at it like that too.

Player A plays 24/7 has all the best gear to do end game efficiently.

Player B plays 2 times a week. Wants to do end game even tho noy efficiently so he buys gil and buys craftex gear that STILL allows you to do the content. Gets carried and thinks hes good so he buys another subscription. Win win for SE.

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I know they were employees; never said they wernt. Xi gil never hit 75 cents a mil. As much useless as gil is now in xi it still doesnt get that low. Removing rmt is not compition. Realistically speakinh if i owned an mmo i wpuldnt get rid of rmts either and im sure se looks at it like that too.

Player A plays 24/7 has all the best gear to do end game efficiently.

Player B plays 2 times a week. Wants to do end game even tho noy efficiently so he buys gil and buys craftex gear that STILL allows you to do the content. Gets carried and thinks hes good so he buys another subscription. Win win for SE.

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I played XI but not in the time frame you have or claimed to have played, so I can't really comment on that. As for SE seeing it the way you do, if they did they wouldn't be banning RMTs on a weekly basis especially in the numbers they do. If they did...I'm sure it'd be much worse spam-wise.

NO. I absolutely do not want this. I played an MMO where there was a player based anti-scam "police" which is close enough to this idea and it gets abused outright. I was a victim of this "player police" abuse and I am NOT going through that again.
I was threatened and harassed by these people and when I went to their forums to complain I got banned from their forums. This is a BAD idea.

If their only power is muting a bot that pm's them by limiting the amount of pm's they can send for the next 5 minutes , maybe. I would not trust anyone I don't know with more power than that

I'll do it for free 7 days a week, Just so I can stop seeing people crying about RMT tells.

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I recall ffxi having under cover special task force and in my 9 years player. I never seen 1 rmt shout on that game.

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I played from early 2004 to mid 2013 and I can tell you that is a lie. You never seen one RMT shout. lol

I think some people are over exaggerating with the amount of RMT tells they get in game, Either that or people don't do anything. I get maybe 1-2 tells a day, and some days I play for 10rs+. But then again I don't sit in town, I'm actually doing dungeons.

For the same reason that there aren't any community support moderators or admins.

The time it would take for a Square Employee to train a random on the policies, what you can and can't do, how to handle certain situations, when to investigate, when to track, when to temp ban, when to permanent ban players/accounts would cost the company more than they are willing to spend. You also have to remember that you gotta have a watchdog for the watchdog for the watchdog to make sure everyone is adhering to the guidelines in place (which also costs more money).

Personality also comes into play. They don't want someone in that position that will ban players because they don't like the other player(s) or are mentally unbalanced.

You also have to remember that the person in that position would have elevated settings and logins to Square's CRM/Data Centers/Account System (where credit card information is stored). It's unheard of that Square is planning to release an API for XIV, there is no way they would allow an outside source access to their back end system on top of their billing and payment matrix (that's a lawsuit waiting to happen).

In EQOA, community moderators were also GM's who would log in on player servers & would handle any harassment or exploit issues. Sometimes within moments of the report. They could be visible or invisible to other players. (whatever happened to Sapphyra?)

FFXIV is missing that direct kind of direct presence.

I don't know about a player based "Eorzea Watch"... so many possibilities for problems on both sides.

I am going to suggest a system that borrows from League of Legends Tribunal. Here is how it would work, when a character is black listed multiple times in a short time frame, say, 10 times in 10 minutes, then that entire account would be squelched, and the characters last 10 minutes of chat would be logged. Now, on the Lodestone, that chat log (with names edited of course) would be posted and players could vote as to if the person in question deserves punishment or not. Depending on the result in say, a 24 hour time period, one of a few actions would be taken.
<10% punish : Instant unsquelch, no GM involvment.
<40% punish: Unsquelch with GM investigation followup.
<70% punish: GM review, remaining squeched.
>90% punish: Temp ban with GM investigation followup.
To be fair and prevent abuse, if you are one of the 10 blacklisters, you can not vote on your own case. And to motivate players, SE could offer a nominal amount, say 50 or so, of GC seals for each "correct" vote.


This would solve the problem in two fronts. First of all, this would allow the players to effectivly limit RMT spam with little potential for abuse. Secondly, it would force RMT advertizers to throttle their adverts on each individual account or risk making that account useless in a very short amount of time. This combined with the existing ban schedule of mule/farmer accounts would possible make the cost of doing buisness too high for the RMT companies to use this game as a valid source of income.

Please no. This idea and any others that rely on the players is guaranteed to get abused. There are far far more effective countermeasures already being used in other MMO's -- NOW, if only Square Enix would copy one those so we get passed this problem some time this decade...

Players shouldn't have to police their own game, they're suppose to play it and enjoy.

Pretty sure they'd just pay employees to do this instead of having the player base do it.

I don't want players to do that kind of stuff. As some users pointed it out, they'll probably abuse of its power. Let the SE employees take care of it.