White mage cleric stance.

Hello ladies and gentleman! I have a question regarding cleric stance on white mages :)
But, before I'll ask this question.. With all the respect, please don't start any fights or argue and say "healers are healers, not dpsers".. love you guys.

Back to topic. According to cleric stance description, once this spell toggled, it will swaps current mind and int attribute ratings, while reducing healing potency by 20%, but increases damage potency by 10%. I like it.. I'm sure y'all agree :p
However, I'm not quite sure about this damage increase part. That 10% goes towards spell potency or total damage potency, in other words. If I use "Holy" which has 200 magic potency, with cleric stance it would become 220? or it's like this -> original spell potency + int potency + weapon damage + determination = **** + 10% (from cleric stance) = total number.

Now.. I'm sorry if this question was answered somewhere else and I missed it.

Uhhhh... I never paid much attention to the specifics...

I just think "moar DPS yay!" and leave it at that

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Originally Posted by TurnBased

Uhhhh... I never paid much attention to the specifics...

I just think "moar DPS yay!" and leave it at that

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Same here. I am more worried about healing and not realising I have cleric stance on.

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

However, I'm not quite sure about this damage increase part.

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It's a damage increase like any other damage increase which means it's multiplicative. If an attack would deal 500 damage (or, where CS is concerned, if it would do 500 damage with INT equal to your MND), the damage increase makes it deal 550.

I also believe the outside testing that has been done indicates that the change would be the same whether the potency was increased by 10% or the final number was increased by 10%. Either way, the final amount of damage will be increased by 10% (INT&MND the same ofc).

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Originally Posted by TurnBased

Uhhhh... I never paid much attention to the specifics...

I just think "moar DPS yay!" and leave it at that

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Best answer ever xD u made my day

Thank you everyone, I think I understand now. It's obvious that 10% damage increase would mean 10% as it is. But... I feel like, something is suspicious about this cleric stance. Allow me to explain, I have 210 int, 268 det, and 508 mind.. Without cleric stance my holy does around 230 - 280 damage. With cleric stance it would be 580 - 620. If I take away that 10% = 620 x 0.10"%=62/620 = 558. Now, I get 298 extra attack potency for swapping mind and int. 280 + 298 = 578. Close enought, but.. That means 1 point of int = 1.00 - 1.10 extra damage increase. Is this true guys?.

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Originally Posted by Pantz

Same here. I am more worried about healing and not realising I have cleric stance on.

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One of those days... Lol

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Originally Posted by TurnBased

Uhhhh... I never paid much attention to the specifics...

I just think "moar DPS yay!" and leave it at that

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Lol. Yup.. I'm just crazy I know... It's in my blood, I need to know the specifics ugh (;°-°)

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

Without cleric stance my holy does around 230 - 280 damage. With cleric stance it would be 580 - 620.

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The variation on damage for attacks is +/- 5% from the average. Assuming you're getting the averages correct, you'd be getting ~240-270 without and ~570-630 as your damage ranges.

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If I take away that 10% = 620 x 0.10"%=62/620 = 558. Now, I get 298 extra attack potency for swapping mind and int. 280 + 298 = 578.

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You need to make sure you're comparing bottom-to-bottom or top-to-top. You just compared the top of your non-CS numbers (you listed 230-280) with the bottom of your CS numbers (you listed 580-620). You're guilty of a pretty severe unequal comparison there.

I just tested damage for myself on my i90 WHM (273 DET) using Holy. Without CS (INT 210), I was dealing ~240 damage, and, with CS (INT 508, ), I was dealing ~565. I then removed some gear and pulled my INT down to 455 (still 273 DEF) and was dealing ~520.

So, with those numbers, a ~55 point reduction magic attack potency reduced the damage on Holy by ~45 damage. If we factor out Cleric Stance so that Holy (at INT ~510) would be dealing ~510, we should see ~240 damage outside of Cleric Stance, which is exactly what I got.

Suffice it to say that, yes, the 10% increase to damage from Cleric Stance *is* a straight up 10% multiplier to your raw damage, functionally increasing the potency of the attack from 200 to 220.

Awesome I always wanted to know the specifics of what the 10% dps boost actually did.

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Most of the difference comes because of swapping Intelligence and Mind, a healer usually has very high Mind relative to Int, the higher the level and gear, the more difference (high level+gear WHM have more than double mind points than intelligence points.)

The +10% or -20% are multiplicative, the final result is affected in that +10% or -20%