"Join In Progress" Lets you leave DF Roulette without 30m Penalty

This bug was fixed in 2.28.

Problem:

Checking the "Join In Progress" checkbox lets you leave a brand-new Duty Finder Roulette instance without incurring the 30 minute penalty. (You can be one of the original four/eight party members and get this to work.) The duty can be left before or after the "Duty Commenced" words appear and the circle barricade drops away. This bug is being used by tanks to selectively leave instances of Halitali HM or Lost City of Amdapor in favor of getting Brayflox HM.

(EDIT: Removed the bug report info since SE has moved this to "Website Feedback & Suggestions".)

Steps:
1. Select "Join-In-Progress".
2. Select the Expert Duty Roulette.
3. Wait for a Join Duty window to appear. (The Duty should be new and not show a progress indicator.)
4. Enter the duty.
5. Wait for the cut-scene and skip it.
6. You can now leave the duty without the 30m penalty, even if the "Duty Commenced" message appears and the "circle" drops.
6a. Bring up the duty window.
6b. Select Leave.

The bug is tied to "Join-In-Progress". If you do not select "Join-In-Progress", you will receive the 30m penalty no matter how quickly you leave the duty.

This is referring to brand new duties, not already existing duties that are joined in progress.

I don't think it's a bug. It's designed around the fact you can enter a party in progress with one afk person. Would not be fair to get a penalty for that if you leave

I'm not talking about actually joining a party in progress. The "Join In Progress" flag lets you leave a brand new duty immediately without suffering the penalty.

This is causing people much grief because tanks can leave a duty roulette that they don't like.

Hi Ankle Biter :) I've seen you sometimes on Gilgamesh /wave

Sorry if it's a silly question, and while it's not really related to your situation, I thought I'd ask anyway if that's okay, but couldn't someone use the "Join in Progress" to know what type of dungeon it was? i.e. if one dungeon is 0/3 (or 1/3, etc) because it has 3 main bosses, then if it's 0/1 wouldn't that possibly mean it's one of the story trials, like Ifrit, etc? (which I assume is precisely what they are trying to get into in the first place, because it's 'faster')

Add this together with your bug and it gives tanks (or whoever else does this) massive control in selecting what they want. (assuming I'm right!?)

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Originally Posted by Lilysparkle

Hi Ankle Biter :) I've seen you sometimes on Gilgamesh /wave

Sorry if it's a silly question, and while it's not really related to your situation, I thought I'd ask anyway if that's okay, but couldn't someone use the "Join in Progress" to know what type of dungeon it was? i.e. if one dungeon is 0/3 (or 1/3, etc) because it has 3 main bosses, then if it's 0/1 wouldn't that possibly mean it's one of the story trials, like Ifrit, etc? (which I assume is precisely what they are trying to get into in the first place, because it's 'faster')

Add this together with your bug and it gives tanks (or whoever else does this) massive control in selecting what they want. (assuming I'm right!?)

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/wave

Yes, people can use the "Join In Progress" to (somewhat) determine what dungeon they are about to be placed in, as long as they are offered to join a party in progress. They won't see a progress indicator if they are being placed into a fresh dungeon.

I've never seen a 0/1 on Low Level Duty Roulette, but I have seen */4. (Sastasha or Tam Tara). If you queue up for High Level Duty Roulette and get a popup with */4, you know you're going to be placed in Pharos.

Heya guys ^^

I've only used the "join in progress" once so far, and I don't intend until new is coming (such as receiving an actual invitation from a specific party you want to join)

One friend was stuck for more than 30 mins waiting for a Tank that decided he wanted to leave.

Received request in LS (is there a Tank that would join us to complete our dungeon?)

I answered: yeah for sure, I have a bit of time left before Zzz! (I received a million thanks ^^)

What happened: click join in progress.. *hop into another group.. this whole group were like: YAY!!! finally we've been waiting so long, the Tank decided to leave blablabla..

Me, checking around to see if that was my "friend" party: nope.

Now.. Feeling guilty, I explained the situation to this "group B".. I clicked Leave, and to my surprise, no 30 min penalty!

I asked my friend in LS, still no tanks.. I decided to try again: same Group B o.O

What to do in these conditions?

To ask my friends to abandon so we can regroup, starting from scratch again for them?

What about the Group B that made me feel >.< for not helping them, due to this askward situation?

sigh..

It's working as intended imo, you decided to "join in progress" a group who supposedly needed your class. Since it made you as a "fill in" you have the rights to leave without penalty because u were a "fill in" and not part of the original party.
I noticed this since 2.1 lol and it makes a lot of sense in a way.

The whole "join in progress" term technically explains why you can leave without getting a penalty.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Now.. Feeling guilty, I explained the situation to this "group B".. I clicked Leave, and to my surprise, no 30 min penalty!

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This may be why there is no penalty for leaving a dungeon that you join in progress. You have a perfectly good justification for leaving.

The problem, though, is that this penalty immunity is being extended to dungeons that you start fresh. If I have the "Join In Progress" flag set, I can leave a freshly started dungeon with no penalty. If I do not have the flag set, I get the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

It's working as intended imo, you decided to "join in progress" a group who supposedly needed your class. Since it made you as a "fill in" you have the rights to leave without penalty because u were a "fill in" and not part of the original party.
I noticed this since 2.1 lol and it makes a lot of sense in a way.

The whole "join in progress" term technically explains why you can leave without getting a penalty.

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I'm talking about leaving a group where I was one of the original four. The dungeon is not "in progress". It's completely fresh. No mobs have been killed. No spells have been cast. No "Heyas" have been exchanged.

Though, from reports, you can do this even if there's been a little combat. Honestly, the flag should be renamed "Let me leave any party without the 30 minute penalty."

I don't think should exist a penalty for join in progress. The penalty has been already being applied to the person who first left (and you replaced).

Think that way:
I always leave join in progress checked and I DF for Lostm Ampador/Bray HM for getting myth/soldiery when I don't have a group. At least TWO or THREE times per day I join a completely empty Lost Amp. Yeah, I join and there is like, just me and monsters. And somewhat another dps who just joined first than me.

Imagine I having to wait 15~30min at queueing to be placed in a fail DF and having a 30min penalty because YOU are complaining?
So yeah, -1 to this thread.

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Originally Posted by RaphaelDDL

I don't think should exist a penalty for join in progress. The penalty has been already being applied to the person who first left (and you replaced).

Think that way:
I always leave join in progress checked and I DF for Lostm Ampador/Bray HM for getting myth/soldiery when I don't have a group. At least TWO or THREE times per day I join a completely empty Lost Amp. Yeah, I join and there is like, just me and monsters. And somewhat another dps who just joined first than me.

Imagine I having to wait 15~30min at queueing to be placed in a fail DF and having a 30min penalty because YOU are complaining?
So yeah, -1 to this thread.

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I'm not talking about joining a party in progress. You just read the title and not the problem statement.

Have you ever entered a brand new duty and immediately had the tank/healer leave on you? If so, you are the victim of this bug.

A number of people here just do not understand what OP is saying.

If you check off 'Join in progress' DF will search for NEW dungeons as well as IN PROGRESS ones.

What OP is saying that if you check off 'Join in progress' and join a NEW dungeon because thats what DF decided on you still do not suffer the 30 min penalty when leaving.

I think there is something to this. I have not tested it but I have bailed from parties that start NEW when I had 'Join in progress' checked (i always check it) fully expecting to get the 30 min penalty as no one else left before me. I then bring up the DF window again to watch the countdown to only see there is none.

On a side note: In the last week I joined two dungeons to see the **DPS** bail before everyone was out of the CS or seconds after. :confused:

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Originally Posted by necrosis

On a side note: In the last week I joined two dungeons to see the **DPS** bail before everyone was out of the CS or seconds after. :confused:

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I've seen that myself. Interesting that there may be a bug, it explains why I've seen more of this recently.

Am I like the only tank that doesn't mind doing Lost City or Halatali? Variety is good. I'd get bored in Brayflox 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Am I like the only tank that doesn't mind doing Lost City or Halatali? Variety is good. I'd get bored in Brayflox 24/7.

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Nah, I like Lost City and Halitali more than Brayflox HM. More atmosphere than "OMG SR FOR TOMEZ!!!".

This really doesn't seem like a major issue and it seems like you're just trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed...

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Originally Posted by Angry_Goat

This really doesn't seem like a major issue and it seems like you're just trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed...

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So you approve of tanks leaving brand new dungeons or trials immediately because they didn't get Brayflox HM or Ifrit SM?

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Originally Posted by IBNobody

This bug is being used by tanks to selectively leave instances of Halitali HM or Lost City of Amdapor in favor of getting Brayflox HM.

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Would love to understand why those dungeons
Anyway....I suffered of the same problem twice in the same day, as Dragoon trying to get my Roullete. The first quit in Aurum Vale, and the secound in Darkhol...both as far as Duty Commence pop up.
I was thinking why they would quit if they would get a penalty, but u just answered me :/

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Originally Posted by Angry_Goat

This really doesn't seem like a major issue and it seems like you're just trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed...

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Try to wait around 20min for a roulette, get a group and see your leaving when the words "Duty Commence" show up.....
Quit, try another 20min queue.....and see it happening AGAIN
So I think u'll realize its a problem :3

So what the reason of Roullete if ppl want to CHOOSE what duty they want to do?

Why was my post moved?

Here are more poeple who are fed up with this bug.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Quitters-Issue

Join in progress as an "option" was a bad idea to begin with. The dungeon finders should fill parties as people join and not based on whether they only want a full run or not. The tool should prioritize fresh runs when possible, but leaving it as an option means you aren't likely to finish a dungeon if your tank drops, especially since no one can change jobs in the instance.

Overall it wasn't bad for SE's first attempt at such a tool, but it does need some tweaks to be more useful.

I'm cool with the option to decide if I want a full run or if applicable be the filler for a running party.
No bad idea at all.

If it were not for the obviously lousy implementation...

This bug was fixed in 2.28. Thank you.