30 attribute points

i just randomly was seeing what the differences were. and found its veryyyy underwhelming. i was shocked. now i could be missing something but is there a reason for this? i tested it with the sch/smn. i main smn so all 30 are in int. but i put all in mnd and with my sch the heals were only like a 30-40 heal difference. thats complete crap if you ask me. and even 30 in piety was only like a 200 mp diff. now i dont expect high numbers from either but thats awfully low imo. i feel like all classes would just benefit from the extra Vit imo but i could be missing something.

30 points into a classes main stat is pretty huge, especially for dps. My scholar gets quite a bit more than 30-40 per cast when I switch back from int for summoner though.

well my sch is only i87, smn is i94, but i didnt really notice more than about 40ish points. i just figured 30 points would be more of a difference. like i think have all in int for smn then playing sch should show a diff. but eh i guess lol

It is big, for any jobs. It's about the difference of 10 item levels.

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Originally Posted by bennettaj

well my sch is only i87, smn is i94,

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this factor throws your testing. try removing all gear to get base numbers & attack some dummies.

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Originally Posted by bennettaj

i just randomly was seeing what the differences were. and found its veryyyy underwhelming.

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I tested it today also, ilvl 86 WHM. Had points in vit for when I was doing the relic (HP was a bit low for Titan). Finally got around to switching to MND. Tested heals before and after and found the difference to be around 30-40 also. Thats with ex primal WHM weap. So being conservative, for every 20 heals you get equivalent of 1 extra.

First T5 clears casters put points into Vit for greater survivability on FBs.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

It is big, for any jobs. It's about the difference of 10 item levels.

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Not really. as 10ilvls with gear give more than 1 stat XD

30-40 might seem low, but if you look at how many more % it is it instantly seems much better and resonable.

For the most part, the attribute points are a pretty silly choice. The 'illusion of choice' really. MNKs and DRGs will of course always choose STR, BLM's INT, etc.

It just makes it difficult for SMN and SCH peeps, but 30 attribute points doesn't really cripple any job. An i90 SCH is not an i80 SCH because they go full INT for SMN's sake.


The only reasonable difference I've found is using full VIT for my PVP BLM since surviviability is pretty important.

I don't understand the stat points personally. I don't really feel like I had a choice.
If it was global for your character, and not per job, and made you either focus on being a healer, being a tank, or being DPS it would make sense, but since it's job-specific there's really no point to it.

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Originally Posted by Titor

I don't understand the stat points personally. I don't really feel like I had a choice.
If it was global for your character, and not per job, and made you either focus on being a healer, being a tank, or being DPS it would make sense, but since it's job-specific there's really no point to it.

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It will be more obvious once you start play SMN/SCH and/or when other classes that you play get split jobs.

Would be much more interesting if we chose from secondary stats rather... and could reallocate on the fly (out of combat) for free.

Entering a PvP environment, let me swap to crit/skill-speed...

Short a little accuracy in a new raid encounter, I can fix that.

It's different for every role, but it's most useless on Healer. As our ilv increases, so does the stats attached to the gear. While +30 to our main stat was pretty significant when we were ilv70 transitioning into i90, our now i90 -> 100 -> 110 is making it more worthless. The new level increase should rebalance this (I'm assuming we'll be getting an additional +20~30 more to our attribute points), but as of right now it's meh.

Disclaimer: for a DPS, +30 is huge, and for Tanks it's just as important. For healers, tbh I can see them going into VIT to help with Second Coil until they have high enough gear.

They should just drop the system and just give everyone's base main stat 30 more points. Literally the only thing the system does is discourage scholar from playing summoner and vice versa. Not really a smn fan myself(Dealing with adds is frustrating, unless they spawn in bane range), but that's not really giving you options so much as it's taking options away from you.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

30-40 might seem low, but if you look at how many more % it is it instantly seems much better and resonable.

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Even so, 30-40 per heal is not going to make or break any of the fights in game. Going on percentages gives a false overview of their total value as we are still using pretty low numbers. Avg 1000 on cure 1 or 1030. is more accurate than just stating a ~3% increase.

Not stating it doesn't hurt to have, but also putting into Vit for healers doesn't hurt either XD

I'd been running VIT on WHM this whole time and this morning figured I'd give MND a whirl. I was hoping that the higher iLvl and whatnot would allow for at least a little snowballing, but instead I pretty much just got a 30 HP cured increase. I'll probably switch back later today.

I've been running Piety for scholar since 2.0, and I absolutely love it. There is no need for big heals for any content right now, all minds from equipment is more than enough.

But 30 stats would mean about 1 or 2 equipment stats, which is quite alot if you ask me.

On my WAR, I originally had all of my attribute points relegated to VIT. Then, on the advice from someone, I respecced my attribute points to move 10 points from VIT to STR. The difference was actually VERY noticeable! Yeah, my HP wasn't as high as it was (though still more than high enough to tank properly), but I was dealing a LOT more damage on average.

Depends on jobs. And play style. But 1 thing for sure is having 15 points in vit is good.

Maxed VIT on all jobs. Every time I end up with a little tiny life for any reason, makes me think I were not wrong.

Seriously, would be so much better of a system if it were secondary stats instead.

VIT is the only attribute that makes a noteworthy/noticeable difference. Yeah, 30 of any stat is a lot when you look at it by an equipment/ilvl stance, but it doesn't make TOO great of an impact. At least, nowhere near weapons type of impact would. PIE would also be noteworthy if it weren't for the fact that it's not really worth putting points into for anyone since MP isn't a problem most of the time.

However, when you think about how much of an impact say... 30 extra damage is when your standard attacks do around 200+ dmg, 30 is a significant boost to overall dps. From a DPS standpoint, it's a small immediate boost but helps your overall output greatly. When it comes to healing, I guess it's even more of a hit or miss. You'll run into less situations where the extra 30 MND means the difference between life and death... but that's probably EXTREMELY rare and situational. The question comes down to: is it really needed though? Not really, given that VIT was originally more important to endgame Coil. If you're into the min/max perspective, the 30 bonus stat is significant and it ends at that... it doesn't matter if it's necessary, it's all about dishing out the numbers (again, it doesn't matter if it's necessary or not). If you're not a min/max player, then it really doesn't matter, as it won't prevent you from doing anything.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

It's different for every role, but it's most useless on Healer. As our ilv increases, so does the stats attached to the gear. While +30 to our main stat was pretty significant when we were ilv70 transitioning into i90, our now i90 -> 100 -> 110 is making it more worthless. The new level increase should rebalance this (I'm assuming we'll be getting an additional +20~30 more to our attribute points), but as of right now it's meh.

Disclaimer: for a DPS, +30 is huge, and for Tanks it's just as important. For healers, tbh I can see them going into VIT to help with Second Coil until they have high enough gear.

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Humm never thought of this. While I am not running Coil 2 (no where near it) and at a ilvl of 94 I was curious what might make speed runs in Longstop (least till weapon is done) a little safer.

I personally have 25str/5 vit on my monk.

Those extra 5 points in vit has saved my butt a few times.