Turn 7 problem

We are progressing on turn 7 but we keep having problems with the Lamia Deathdancers. Basically, how do your OT keeps the adds on lock-down? Our DPS team comp consists of MNK BLM BLM BRD and besides from me as a MNK, the other 3 either don't push enough DPS to kill the add before the next one spawn or they pull too much aggro. We're managing around 200-300 DPS each and it seems like we needed a little bit more to kill the adds cleanly but because they are moving to aggro healer/range DPS, I can't get more hits on them. I heard about this 4 Renaud method that should allow our BRD more uptime on the adds and thus kill them cleanly. Is it doable to have 4 Renauds up before 2nd phase?
Any tips in general for this turn would be appreciated as well. I'd like to beat it today before reset.

Seems like an aggro problem of your OT. Our DDs can go full blast, almost instantly. No 4 Renauds before Melee adds is not possible without stalling the fight. If you stall so long you will end in enrage.

We do it the follows: First add is grabbed by MT, Second Add is grabbed by OT and provoked then by MT and only the third add is tanked completely by OT. This way OT goes dps as well.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

We are progressing on turn 7 but we keep having problems with the Lamia Deathdancers. Basically, how do your OT keeps the adds on lock-down? Our DPS team comp consists of MNK BLM BLM BRD and besides from me as a MNK, the other 3 either don't push enough DPS to kill the add before the next one spawn or they pull too much aggro. We're managing around 200-300 DPS each and it seems like we needed a little bit more to kill the adds cleanly but because they are moving to aggro healer/range DPS, I can't get more hits on them. I heard about this 4 Renaud method that should allow our BRD more uptime on the adds and thus kill them cleanly. Is it doable to have 4 Renauds up before 2nd phase?
Any tips in general for this turn would be appreciated as well. I'd like to beat it today before reset.

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200-300? They should be higher than that, especially for the next Turn.

Turn 8 is not as much movement as Turn 7 so DPS should be naturally higher

My group consists of pld/war/sch/whm/mnk/drg/smn/brd. Our paladin is the maintank. The death dancers spawn a specific percent. I believe our warrior has things timed so he has butcher block available as soon as the first lamia spawns. I think he pops unchained as well as berserk. No one pulls off him. Usually the first spawn is dead or near death when the second one spawns (depends if one of the melee wind up with shriek). We typically keep a single renaud up (kited by bard, may try summoner this week).

Your OT has to be there when adds spawn or it's all over.

If anyone else touches the mob when it spawns, the grace period ends and the mob guns for whoever has the highest enmity. The deathdancers move at like 2x player speed, so you'll end up playing yo-yo until Tail Swipe kills everyone or the next add spawns and kills everyone. Solutions for WAR OT is to:

1) Prime BB, then drop it on the add
1a) with Unchained
2b) with Berserk - but consider using this on the third add
2) Store Wrath for Steel Cyclone, bearing in mind that Renauds can detect when you are about to use AoE and will always spawn inconveniently
3) Tomahawk+Brutal Swing

But DPS must also be mindful: there is no advantage to Shoulder Tackle/Jump/Shoot an add before the tank performs an action. Wait for an action, then unleash hell. As MNK, I usually go from Melusine > SH to add 1 > Melusine > SH to add 2 > Melusine > SH to add 3. Keeps GL and DPS up while synchronizing add pops to Shoulder Tackle (30s timer).

I forgot to mention both our tanks are PLDs. xD He can just prime the Rage of Halone however. We made some positional changes and it seems to work out a lot better now. Thanks for the tips.

My static OT war pulled all 3 adds to the 1st add spawn spot making it easier to dps the boss while pulling adds. If ur dps is lacking, have em rotate their CDs per adds

anyway : ur problem is 2 BLMs since DPS wise t7 is MNK > DRG > SUM (due to kiting) > BRD > BLM

Butcher's Block and Rage of Halone take a very long time to resolve, which often causes the add to rubber band. Using Savage Blade, Heavy Swing, Overpower etc. or actions that resolve instantly work a bit better at locking the add in place as it spawns. Having the WHM stagger the big threat cures or move closer to where the add spawns can also help if that's an issue until your OT learns how to pick them up correctly.

Someone posted that they don't do anything until hit once so it may be that our DPS just targets and unloads instantly but if that is the case and the DPS is very conscience of when the OTs skill resolves then yes Butcher's Block/Rage would be a lot better to open with if you can ensure no rubber band.

Also the pattern for single OT movement is that the add will always do the circle blade AOE, melee, and then Tail Swipe. At this time you have about 10 seconds to move to the next add spawn location. Typically your current add will die while you are moving, but be warned if the new add spawns with the old one alive they will both Tail Swipe again at nearly the exact same time. For the 3rd add movement positioning for Shriek is you just wait for the first Tail Swipe, start moving, and about 2-3 seconds later it stops to Circle Blade, so ranged/healers may have to dodge that but its better than you getting petrified :D

Hope some of this information helps!

first add:
prepare a combo'd rage of halone on melusine, walk to the spot where the add spawns. have a feeling for the spawn (like back then at t4, when soldiers/knights spawn), flash once (the name of the mob appears first, before the mob itself spawns ;) ), fire off the combo'd halone. now you shoudlnt have aggro issues.
--> tip: use the debuff of RoH as an time indicator for next step :cool:

if dps is slacking a bit and first add isnt dead fast enough, start walking to the next spot when the add has like 5-10% hp left. because it will def die soon.

2nd add:
flash when it appears, non combo'd RoH on it, start emnity rotation = you dont have aggro issues.
--> tip: you can start a RoH on mob, face away from center with voice on you and still land the RoH :cool:

if dps is slacking, see above.

3rd add:
basicly the same like 2nd add. sometimes (depending on shriek mechanic) you aren't in range of the 3rd add fast anough, throw a lob during running to the mob and flash asap, followed by a non combo'd RoH = no aggro problems.


final tip:
sometimes its better for the dps to w8 1.5-2 seconds before unloading all their dmg and kill the mob safe than unloading everything they got asap, causing aggro ping pong and a wipe.

In my FC (our comp isn't mix/maxed, we are PLD+PLD+WHM+SCH+BRD+BRD+BLM+MNK), we're giving at least one GCD to the OT. The add does moves to a healer, doesn't touch him and goes back to the tank.

The 2 BRD put their 2 dots on Melusine and switch to the add.
The BLM cast one more fire to Melusine, sometimes add a proc then switch to the add.
The MNK finishes his combo and switch to the add.

If one healer is targetted by the shriek, we kill the add just before the 2nd spawns. If a DPS is targetted, sometimes the add has 5% HP left when the 2nd spawns.

We changed up positions and announce when the adds are about to spawn so the OT has much better grip on aggro now. Last night with a couple new people, we were able to get to right after killing Persecutor. Thanks for the tips.

Another question: How do you phase change if there's no summoner or not doing 4 renaulds method? Is there a specific ability to look out for before changing phase at 80%, 60% and 35%? We tried the changing phase during Voice at 80% and 60% and after shriek at 35% but seems like there's something more that we haven't account for. Does it matter if we push it during the voice without Renauld or with Renauld?