F#C$ THIS COIL SHIT (caps)

I'm sick of this damn T5.

I have beaten Titan EX half a dozen times. most of them before echo even existed.

I have beaten Leviathan EX more than 25 times (and no mirrors to be seen)

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a damn party on Goblin server who can clear T5.

And, god, I have tried... I'm starting to think that the lame Duty Finder may be a better option than finding someone who can do it on Goblin.

I have run this more than 50 times and there is always someone who does random crap and wipes the entire party.


I can tank as Warrior. I buff myself with all I can Tania and snakes can hardly damage me.
I can heal as White Mage. I buff the tanks and most of the time they take no damage or almost no damage at all even during Deathsentence.
I can DPS as Black Mage. I do the LB on time (its ridiculously easier to DPS this than heal or tank).

I don't do ANY FU%%ING MISTAKE.

But it's not good enough.

Because other people ALWAYS MAKE ME WIPE.

I explain all the shit to them.
Other people do too.

But it's NOT F%[KING ENOUGH.
Even with 15% echo, some people still mess up. BADLY.
And they come up with the lamest excuses (i was getting a smoke, pregnant girlfriend is calling, my car alarm was ringing, the window randomly minimized on its own, just to name a few from THE LAST TWO DAYS)

I don't know why I still pay for playing this game.

/rant

Excalibur has tons of successful T5 parties. I got most of my weapons in pugs even. Maybe you should transfer? I heard the end game scene in Goblin is pretty dead

Maybe you should have befriended those people you found from PF that you thought were good and make your own party when they're on. There's a limit to how far you can get with random people everytime.

The endgame scene on Goblin is pretty dead; you have to find a good FC for this. I know that Scarmiglione <<Fiend>> is a pretty active FC and they do a lot of endgame content. But yea, like Lemon8or said, friend up the people from PF you like, and start to make your own parties for it, instead of getting randoms every time.

Yeah, you need to find good players and become friends. This is what many people do. They create their own guild and help each other.. Never pug, that's why there is very few skilled players pugging now days. I feel you tho.. That stress.. When your hope (to complete dungeon run) is ruined. In fact, this is online game and you don't know who you are playing with... Maybe some kids who never learn. But, don't get upset mate, just accept the reality and enjoy your game play.. I know it could be hard.. Square planning to raise level cap and add new skills near future. You can't give up here!!

I can imagine your frustration, but let me counter it a bit with a few things to consider:

Let's face it: Endgame is an exclusionist's domain. People calling for higher than practical necessity item levels, that neither convert to or convey actual skill levels, and with recruiting messages like "will kick if you screw up even once".

People bail on LEARNING Parties after even a single wipe, thus making others give up or quit, then no one ends up learning anything. I understand, no one wants to waste their time, but if you don't try, how do you ever learn? Videos aren't a substitute for actual experience.


On the subject of trying, Goblin is apparently one of the smaller population servers, yes. Many players simply haven't TRIED to run Turn 5 for lack of a stable static group, or even just a helpful player who's willing to teach like yourself. It has sadly become accepted standard that if you join a run, EVEN in a learning party, you've either watched a video, attempted it before, or have actually cleared it. This is not true for most Goblin players, myself included. And while I'm confident in my own skills and ability to learn it, many aren't, because they haven't tried. Because they CAN'T try.

Lastly, Art Imitates Life. Yes, it SUCKS when you give your 100% then someone slips up and you all wipe. Personally, I can't stand when there's a slight deviation from plan/strategy and others just STOP DOING ANYTHING and call for a wipe. But, even in real life, someone else's mistake can cost you. It could even kill you. Back in the military, this was what we were taught. How do you fix that? By making sure you're not only good, but your teammate is too. That's how you minimize risks, though even still, anything can happen. Frustrating as it may be, stay the course. If you can do it, show others. Humbly. Patiently. Don't expect ANYONE to clear it the first time, or even immediately after showing them. But be willing to practice with them.

Personally, I want to learn T5, and I would be honored if you'd teach me. I'll give my 100%, I won't quit, and once I know it, I'll turn around and teach others as well, which in hopes would make it easier on you. Find me sometime soon. And let's see if we can't help each other.

find 7 people that can run with you a few days a week until you clear it. that's that i did. we just got t5 clear today after several days of practice

I dunno man. My 2nd attempt ever at T5 I got a clear. It isn't hard finding a T5 group in Leviathan at least.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaFhey

I dunno man. My 2nd attempt ever at T5 I got a clear. It isn't hard finding a T5 group in Leviathan at least.

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I dont want to offend or harm by any means but : there few ways only that u done it with 2 attempt
- or ur friends helped to carry you
- or u sneaked on total skill party , and they noticed u 1st time win only after actual win
why i posted this , is because no way u will beat Twin even with 30% echo in 60~90 min frame , conflag/divebombs/twister will just destroy party w/o total know & understand what to do lol

Ran this for 4 months in my static group. Didn't actually clear it until the 10% buff came out. Though to be honest we got better each week (was only getting maybe 1 hour in a week because we had to clear T1-4 first. Although we didn't clear until the 10% buff came out what really put us over the edge was having full 2-3 hour blocks to work on it with roughly the same people each week. Because my static only runs once a week I had to pug EX primals when they came out in 2.1 for those each learning group I was in I would add the more skilled players to my LS. Before long I had (and still have) a nice pool of people to draw from for pugging endgame content. Though I don't condone this if you are absolutly 100% sure you can get through the entirety of this fight without screwing up, try joining a farm party (and tell them your experience level). For various content where I have required previous clears in PF I do get the odd /tell from people that are skilled but have not cleared. Sometimes I take a chance on them. I've done this for Titan EX, Ifrit EX and yes even T5. In all 3 cases we cleared.

your problem isnt your skill but your mindset. "I am perfect, but others always mess up" is quite a bad way to go about it. Make a static, progress together. Make macros that call out dives and twisters. Get in voice chat to call stuff out. Help teach others instead of blaming them for mistakes. Its not an rpg, but an mmorpg! if you cant learn to play well with others then that is what single player games are for ;D

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

I dont want to offend or harm by any means but : there few ways only that u done it with 2 attempt
- or ur friends helped to carry you
- or u sneaked on total skill party , and they noticed u 1st time win only after actual win
why i posted this , is because no way u will beat Twin even with 30% echo in 60~90 min frame , conflag/divebombs/twister will just destroy party w/o total know & understand what to do lol

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I think you severely overestimate Twintania's "8 months in" difficulty. There are guides galore and information abundant about what she does. I can sum it up in about half a sentence and after that, a player just needs to see it, connect the information, and if they're any decent, they'll do it fine.

Watching Vids & Reading Guides != Execution Experience