Implement a luck stat in 2.4/2.5!

Most FFs have a luck stat, and I understand MMORPGs are meant to be consuming, but as a fun way to nerf the atma quest without actually nerfing it would be by implementing a luck stat.

As usual, in FF it is difficult to increase your luck. Make it doubly so here, and make the luck gains miniscule, but just enough to make an impact. Unlike other stats, luck will affect your character in total, not just that class. Each luck point can increase rare drop rate by .005 percent or whatever, or some other formula. To acquire luck you can eat food, drink potions, wear the right gear, etc. other interesting ways to acquire luck can be through unlocking achievements :)

Things luck can affect:
Rare drop rate
Chance to get double Gil from any enemy
Retainer ventures bringing back HQ items/rare items
HQ gathering rate
Crafting
Transmutation

A lot of people will be screaming about how broken it is, but remember, it can be made purposely hard to increase luck, and the bonus can be tiny but still effective enough to help those that worked for it.

I think also luck should be gained primarily from achievements. Every achievement point we get is one luck. Each luck is .005% chance extra for that drop rate or whatever it is (changes depending on what it is, whether it be crafting, gathering, atma farming, etc). That means every time you get an achievement for 5 points, you get .025% chance. In the long run this will be very helpful. Now apply gear which can be obtained via GC: another 50-100 points. .25-.5% chance. With 300 achievement points, 100 from gear, you have 400 points. That's an entire 2% chance which is HUGE now eat food which can increase your luck by 20%. You just got an extra 80 points. Pop that potion and hope for the best and voila. Now add materia for another 30-50 points and YEAH! Add a party buff for 10% luck and farming in parties just became relevant. Give Chocobos a luck enchantment, or something like that, even better.

Perhaps we could even use GC seals to get a special luck reallocation sort of thing, where for one hour you can sacrifice your allocated points and put them into luck. Not to mention a rank 9 free company boost getting a luck increasing thing.

The following was proposed later in the thread:

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I propose the following. A new tab under Character > Achievement > Fame

Here you can spend the achievement points you've earned to gain traits. These traits are mainly there affects our luck rate in the world of Eorza.

There can also be other more unique implementation but for now this is the idea I propose that can tackle luck of low drop rate %.

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This is absolutely brilliant, much better than my idea.

Another brilliant idea:

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I like the idea too, how about making commendations a currency to spend to get those bonuses as well?

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Most FFs have a luck stat, and I understand MMORPGs are meant to be consuming, but as a fun way to nerf the atma quest without actually nerfing it would be by implementing a luck stat.

As usual, in FF it is difficult to increase your luck. Make it doubly so here, and make the luck gains miniscule, but just enough to make an impact. Unlike other stats, luck will affect your character in total, not just that class. Each luck point can increase rare drop rate by .005 percent or whatever, or some other formula. To acquire luck you can eat food, drink potions, wear the right gear, etc. other interesting ways to acquire luck can be through unlocking achievements :)

Things luck can affect:
Rare drop rate
Chance to get double Gil from any enemy
Retainer ventures bringing back HQ items/rare items
HQ gathering rate
Crafting
Transmutation

A lot of people will be screaming about how broken it is, but remember, it can be made purposely hard to increase luck, and the bonus can be tiny but still effective enough to help those that worked for it

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I'm pretty sure the Determination stat is the ARR equivalent of LUCK in other Final Fantasies.

Luck was in FFX, it effected your crit rate, accuracy and evasion. Which when stat maxing made people ingore other stats like accuracy and evasion and went for luck because it was like the 3 in one stat.

How about the 4 leafed mandragora leaf from Tom-tit tat, or the lucky rarab foot. /sarcasm

How about no !, just give us less RNG and all will be good or add a system were the more you farm something the higher your chance of obtaining the item. (increase of 1% every time or something)

I'm against this. Don't like the whole luck based system to begin with, AT ALL. And this idea further encourages things like the atma quest's RNG.

Second, I don't want to have to spend dozens of hours to get the gear/materia/consumables that will ultimately increase my drop chance from 0.01% to 0.015%

Or the Gagaroon Luck-Die, I seem to carry with me everywhere, FFXI runours have a lot of impact on me.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Luck was in FFX, it effected your crit rate, accuracy and evasion. Which when stat maxing made people ingore other stats like accuracy and evasion and went for luck because it was like the 3 in one stat.

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It's been in most FFs lol X is one of my favorites :)
And no, I don't think Yoshi intends to add things worse than atma. It's an outdated mechanic to begin with, and even as somebody who doesn't have a single atma after nearly or over 500 fates, I don't mind the drop rate, which is supposedly 2.25%. That is seriously nothing to complain about. Older games are much much much worse. There will be RNG here, bottom line. It is an RPG...and an online one at that. A luck stat would make this more bearable, not encourage more of it.

Determination as far as I'm concerned is not luck at all...it is in the formula that determines our damage done and our healing done. The more the better, but it doesn't work like luck.

I will edit opening post but I think also luck should be gained primarily from achievements. Every achievement point we get is one luck. Each luck is .005% chance extra for that drop rate or whatever it is (changes depending on what it is, whether it be crafting, gathering, atma farming, etc). That means every time you get an achievement for 5 points, you get .025% chance. In the long run this will be very helpful. Now apply gear which can be obtained via GC: another 50-100 points. .25-.5% chance. With 300 achievement points, 100 from gear, you have 400 points. That's an entire 2% chance which is HUGE :) now eat food which can increase your luck by 20%. You just got an extra 80 points. Pop that potion and hope for the best and voila. Now add materia for another 30-50 points and YEAH

Ive mentioned this before, but I support increasing atma droprate by 50% once a player has completed their first animus.

Much like the +50% exp permanent buff for earning a level 50 class.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Not with achievements. Achievements have nothing to do with luck.

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It may be by a small degree, but penta meld crown is still luck based.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

I will edit opening post but I think also luck should be gained primarily from achievements.

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Not with achievements. Achievements have nothing to do with luck.
A better idea would be +1 luck everytime you roll 99 at a endboss loot.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Not with achievements. Achievements have nothing to do with luck.
A better idea would be +1 luck everytime you roll 99 at a endboss loot.

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I like your idea but my original idea was to give those unlucky people something to work towards without needing luck. Achievements don't necessarily require luck but at the time being they are almost pointless. It would be great if they were tied to a luck stat.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Ive mentioned this before, but I support increasing atma droprate by 50% once a player has completed their first animus.

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I, suppose, the only problem some people would have with something like this is that they are stuck on the collecting of the atmas portion of the upgrade quest and something like this could, potentially, not be any benefit to them for some time, or never.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

I, suppose, the only problem some people would have with something like this is that they are stuck on the collecting of the atmas portion of the upgrade quest and something like this could, potentially, not be any benefit to them for some time, or never.

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"never" is not the nature of RNG, if the droprate is anything greater than zero, which it is. Let's just keep that point clear.

Even the most unlucky crafter can eventually get their pentameld crown.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

"never" is not the nature of RNG, if the droprate is anything greater than zero, which it is. Let's just keep that point clear.

Even the most unlucky crafter can eventually get their pentameld crown.

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A) I never mentioned the pentameld. The comment I made was directed solely at your suggestion of an atma buff post animus.
B) The "never" that I was referring to was not a never in the whole of time, but yet, the time that a player is playing the game. If a player only plays this game for a year. and quits in frustration, then they never got it.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

blarg

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You don't like pentameld, let's use an example closer to home.

Roughly 11% of the relics "possible to earn" were earned by the end of 1.0.

If you assumed 1 relic per character and no more, that number is more like 7.5%.

Why so low?

Hamlet stage was an RNG roadblock. It may have been just as easy, but it often took longer to get 1 than some lucky people can get 12 atma.

People whined it was too difficult, and guess what? they removed it as a requirement, but they kept the beastcoins, the ring/finger/other components, each with their own conditions, including some rng.

Then they removed all of that in 2.0, and we ended up with a penalty for such an easy zenith to earn: It is now not a top tier weapon.

If you want easier, be careful what you ask for. They may nerf relics thanks to your inability to patiently earn, OR ignore and move on to just as accessable future content.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

I'm against this. Don't like the whole luck based system to begin with, AT ALL. And this idea further encourages things like the atma quest's RNG.

Second, I don't want to have to spend dozens of hours to get the gear/materia/consumables that will ultimately increase my drop chance from 0.01% to 0.015%

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I think that's a bit of an odd statement. This is an (MMO)RPG, where random events/situations are part of the very core of the genre itself. That's like going into a shooter game, disliking the action aspect of it, and claiming it should remove that aspect of it (or something ridiculous like that). You're in the wrong genre of game if you feel RNG shouldn't be a part of the RPG game you play.

I propose the following. A new tab under Character > Achievement > Fame

Here you can spend the achievement points you've earned to gain traits. These traits are mainly there affects our luck rate in the world of Eorza.

These traits allow for the following suggestions OP has mentioned.

Open world.
Increases Monster Drop rate by 2%/4%/6%
Increase Monster Gil Drop rate by 2x
Increase Monster HQ Drop rate by 1%/2%/3%
Increase FATE Seal and Gil reward rate by 2x
Increase Leve Treasure Coffer Appearance Chance.
Increase Beast Tribe Allagan reward by 2x
Increase Treasure Hunt minion Reward rate by 2%
Increase Chance: Rare Retainer Ventures Rewards
Increase Gathering HQ rate success chance
Increase Crafting HQ rate success chance
Increase Rare Transmutation Materia success (Materia IV/V)

Dungeon, Raid, and Trials
Increase Rare Coffer Drop appearance: 2% chance of being rewarded the 2nd and 3rd treasure coffer in raids and trials. (Ex: Acheron's 3rd Coffer in CT and the 2nd and 3rd Coffer in Levi Extreme)
Increase Monster Gil Drop: .25x/.50x

PvP
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There can also be other more unique implementation but for now this is the idea I propose that can tackle luck of low drop rate %.

It improves drop rate? Here and now I declare all other stats than luck dumpstats!

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I propose the following. A new tab under Character > Achievement > Fame

Here you can spend the achievement points you've earned to gain traits. These traits are mainly there affects our luck rate in the world of Eorza.

There can also be other more unique implementation but for now this is the idea I propose that can tackle luck of low drop rate %.

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This is absolutely brilliant, much better than my idea.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

This is absolutely brilliant, much better than my idea.

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I like the idea too, how about making commendations a currency to spend to get those bonuses as well?

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I like the idea too, how about making commendations a currency to spend to get those bonuses as well?

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Anything is possible. If Dev team agrees they can have last word because of balancing.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

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How can you even say that luck in an rpg is the equivalent of action in a shooter game? Random events are NOT the very core of the rpg genre. The RPG (which literally stands for role playing game) genre is about the development and progression of gameplay elements. I don't even limit it to saying the progression and development of your character because you can develop other things like weapons and armors, pets, "castles" etc.

Furthermore, when people say things like "Mass Effect or Fallout are shooter games with rpg elements", do you serious think that they mean to say that they are referring to luck when they say RPG elements?

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

How can you even say that luck in an rpg is the equivalent of action in a shooter game? Random events are NOT the very core of the rpg genre. The RPG (which literally stands for role playing game) genre is about the development and progression of gameplay elements. I don't even limit it to saying the progression and development of your character because you can develop other things like weapons and armors, pets, "castles" etc.

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The RPG's origins would like to share a dodecahedron/icosahedron with you. Oh, wait, that happens to be RNG, the horror!

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

The RPG's origins would like to share a dodecahedron/icosahedron with you. Oh, wait, that happens to be RNG, the horror!

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Yeah because ALL rpg games, specially the newer ones, have a die to roll.

The luck thing is already there inside the game, from atma drop chance, gil dropped by monsters in dungeon, chance of getting excellent/good during crafting success, gathering HQ etc. If they really implement a number to show how much luck someone has, it's gonna get judged like ilvl and player skills, you'll probably be seeing messages like "LFM Primal EX fight, high luck or kick" or "this FC recruiting static members of XXX luck for better insta coil turn kill chance" or even "I don't want you to craft my item because your luck is too low, you'll get alot of Poor conditions on my 3star materials".

and I prefer achievements to be just achievement that gives out item reward rather than a luck point, as well as commendation becomes something that allows us to get exclusive items. If people achieve something solely on the reason to get more luck and not accomplishments, they'll become more aggressive in getting it asap and slams whoever becomes a burden to their 0.00001% luck boost.

Just my opinion, I'm not saying the luck idea was bad as it was used in other older mmo but I think the players would prefer something more constant and fair (like everyone gets to roll the 100-sided dice without influence from anything) and not from achievements, stat builds etc that will greatly change the way people play this game.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

The RPG's origins would like to share a dodecahedron/icosahedron with you. Oh, wait, that happens to be RNG, the horror!

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True, dice rolling was involved, but it wasn't truly central to the game, I can remember many sessions going by without a dice roll, simply because we had that much fun just roleplaying our characters.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

Yeah because ALL rpg games, specially the newer ones, have a die to roll.

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Xcom, fallout 3 and world of tanks are all newer games whose gameplay revolve around rng. Try walking up directly behind an enemy with a shotgun in Xcom and you sometimes still have a 5% chance to miss.

Hmmm of course there is a dice roll in EVERY RPG...the computer just does it for you....otherwise I would be hitting for 1380 with every single buffedfull thrust and it wouldn't vary one bit.