Hello fellow summoners. As alot of us know, using smn to kite in turn 7 of new coil is becoming a popular and widely used concept. I've been practicing my kiting skills for my raid group, and have enjoyed it. My only issue is...
Garuda likes to kill my Renauds even though I've been keeping her on Medusa-oops I mean- Melusine the whole time...its quite aggrivating when you wipe the raid group cuz your pet is effing retarded. I also don't understand why she is switching targets when I command her to stay on the boss.
For specifics, I only have her on obey and command every action she does. I'm not even having her switch to adds due to the fact I'm afraid shes gonna herp derp and target a Renaud. I've watched a video of a smn kiting...and apprently halfway through the fight he would put her on steady for like...5 mins. To me this is a big dps loss and not very optimal. But...
Is this the way to do it? By putting her on steady when there is a renaud out to ensure she doesn't attack? I feel like I'm missing something here...anyone have any suggestions?
Turn 7 Kiting & Smn
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04-29-2014, 09:03 AMAdelineTurn 7 Kiting & Smn
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04-29-2014, 01:06 PMXlree
If you put Garuda in the middle of the arena and set her on Obey to the boss she will never attack a Renaud. Never make her switch targets, just put her in middle obey when you first pull on the boss and you never have to move or deal with anything about her attacking the wrong target.
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04-29-2014, 01:34 PMThoraukuYou mean the position where the Healers stand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlree
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04-29-2014, 01:39 PMMadoka
I've never kited but I've never had a problem with Garuda switching targets randomly while just dpsing. Unless there's something that makes Garuda lose her target on Melusine?
I put her in the middle, she doesn't get targetted with fireballs. -
04-29-2014, 02:17 PMXlreeYes, in the middle where the healers stand. Because healers are never targeted by the two fireball aoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
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04-29-2014, 02:21 PMAltimisI answered in RedQuote:
Originally Posted by Adeline
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04-29-2014, 05:01 PMThorauku
With the strategy we're using, putting Garuda in the middle seems a bit complicated.
We're using the 2 SMN 1 Bard 1 Melee strategy, wherein the Boss is in the center, and all adds that will spawn will be in the center as well. As for Renaud's, basically we insta-bind him right after he spawn, and we'll just adjust accordingly. Feels less messy that way.
As for Garuda, I usually put her, say,
X - Me
O - Garuda
A - Outer Circle
A
X
O
Making Garuda not hitted by Fireballs. As far as commanding Garuda, I just let her Attack the Boss all the time and just switch to Adds from time to time but not letting her stay idle without a Target. Basically, before the Adds die, I make sure that Garuda acquires a new target before her AI detects a random target. -
04-29-2014, 08:48 PMxxalucardThe "Garuda will never bother Renauds if you put her on Boss all the time..." "use Obey that's it," is not always true. SE changed how Obey works and it now places your pet on *Guard* mode automatically (it didn't do this in the past).Quote:
Originally Posted by Altimis
I had an issue once where even when I spammed Obey on Melusine a Renaud spawned and red-targeted me before the bard could grab it (not fixation, just automatic hate), and was frozen the same moment it spawned. Garuda instantly switched and shot a wind blade on the Renaud despite me never switching targets or doing anything but Obey on Melusine.
The safest bet is to steady Garuda when it's about to be a frozen Renaud with cursed shriek, just to make sure he doesn't switch targets. Whether an add dies or you get red-targeted before fixation it's not worth the risk of wiping a run IMO just to get a few extra wind blades. The fight isn't a DPS race anyway and until they fix how Obey works (where Garuda would just idle when his original target died instead of automatically selecting a new one) I rather be paranoid and safe.
Ironically there's no point to the "guard" function as of now with the way they changed Obey. -
04-29-2014, 09:26 PMKuroyasha
Use Obey. However, don't jut press obey at the beginning; Press obey at the beginning while you're targeting the boss.Garuda will atk whoever you're currently targeting when you press obey and stay on that target until it's dead. So after you place your pet where you like, target melusine, wait for tank pull, press obey, andd voila, garuda will never atk anything besides melusine unless you order it to.
B/c my current grp places melusine in the center i left garuda at the side when I was going smn on the fight. I just stood away from it so it wouldn't get fireballed. Worked fine. -
04-29-2014, 09:57 PMNintenPyjak64
Did T7 for the first time today and was kiting as SMN. I've never once seen my Garuda switch to the Renauds. I saw this thread before we started coil last night and kept an eye on my Garuda. I set her to attack the boss with Obey and she stuck there
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04-29-2014, 10:35 PMThorauku
Target Boss > Press Obey. You'll never see Garuda switch target anymore; or if you want to target adds, Target Adds > Press Obey then once the Adds died, Target Boss again then Press Obey.
Pressing Obey without a Target would cause Garuda to attack random Targets. -
04-30-2014, 12:19 AMAdeline
thanks for the responses guys, you were all right about putting her in the center~ works wonders! kited again last night and there weren't issues with that...but now I'm running into a bigger issue I suppose.
Its when healers are about to stone the ren...if the Ren comes from (say the north by boss), I have to ensure that I don't miasma or else the healers will stone the ren ---> then my miasma will kill it. I need to work on my timing and trust not to miasma it...its just last night he popped east, did my usual thing but miasma hit after voice T.T ugh...its hard to judge when voice will go off for the healers since all the voices have different timers per person. -
04-30-2014, 02:41 AMPriyaJugulatarisIt's happened to me as well, tbh if you see voice up, don't miasma and just get him in position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeline
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04-30-2014, 02:55 AMRhazeCainKiter: "Time on voice?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeline
Healer: "Six" etc.
4 words only. May help some folks. -
04-30-2014, 05:04 AMRonove
When I first was in charge of Renuads, my garuda liked to go attack one that had been stoned. But that was when I was switching her to attack the adds and couldn't switch her back to boss fast enough. When I started entirely keeping her on the boss, she stopped switching targets (once when I moved her, she decided to attack a stoned Renaud but I think I must have messed something up), and we had a better time.
I know I have wiped my group before because my miasma hit right as the Renaud was stoned (whoops) but like people have said, it's all on communication. Just take a second to see what's going on before you hit miasma (I don't even bother kiting, I just miasma where the Renaud happens to spawn and the tank moves the boss around the arena to prepare for shriek and all that--to me it's easier to do it that way than tagging, kiting it into position etc but I guess it depends on the groups). As long as Renauds don't spawn near a healer, you should have enough time to assess the situation before you let off the miasma or tagging. -
04-30-2014, 11:19 AMtOnni3If you grab Ranaud that spawn at far side fast, normally I won't lock it up by Miasma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeline
Just lore it to bottom ( make it move to bottom at shortage distance and a little off centre ),
after it moved pass healer a bit, you swing back to another side to make Ranaud walk to diameter.
Coordinate with healers this move to avoid stoning you.