sometimes players are the worst bug ever

Some people should just play solo games since they really do not know what playing with others means.

Yesterday i had to queue 3 times to complete my daily duty roulette because i have always ended up in brayflox hm with people who used the duty finder to farm mythos and quit after second boss without saying nothing.

Really, there's the party finder for these kind of things there's no reason for using DF and disappearing lile that. I think developers should do something about like rewarding mytho in DF only after the dungeon has been completed.

If anyone behaved properly, this wouldn't be necessary but it looks like this game gets often the worst part of every single players ..

I agree that is very frustrating but it would suck just as much to have a DF group that talks and likes each other but just can't kill the last boss & then they don't get anything for it.

I'm not sure what the solution for this problem would be other than common sense, people being nice and playing the game for fun.

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Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief

I think developers should do something about like rewarding mytho in DF only after the dungeon has been completed.

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Someone will always find a way to exploit.

It was like this for some dungeons, and tanks exploited the heck out of "join in progress", which negatively affected healers and dps who waited longer in queue, only to get pushed to the back of the line when the tank aborted.

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Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief

Some people should just play solo games since they really do not know what playing with others means.

Yesterday i had to queue 3 times to complete my daily duty roulette because i have always ended up in brayflox hm with people who used the duty finder to farm mythos and quit after second boss without saying nothing.

Really, there's the party finder for these kind of things there's no reason for using DF and disappearing lile that. I think developers should do something about like rewarding mytho in DF only after the dungeon has been completed.

If anyone behaved properly, this wouldn't be necessary but it looks like this game gets often the worst part of every single players ..

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They should do more then just give the the Myth & Soldiery Tomestones at the end of the Dungeon. If they were to simply do that, then most of the people who are dropping the parties after getting their Mythology, will only Join dungeons who are in progress and at the end of the Dungeon run. Resulting in even more “Withdrawals” from the queue and longer queue times.

A better option would be to move the Tomestone rewards to the end of the Dungeon, and have them base the rewards on the objectives they’ve cleared along the way. If you’ve participated from the beginning, you will recieve the full rewards from that dungeon. If you’ve entered the dungeon in progress, lets say at 2 / 3, then you will get 2/3rd of the rewards you would normally get with a full run.

They can implement it either by omitting the rewards from the 1st boss, while giving out the rewards of the 2nd and last boss. Or they can simply give out 2/3rd of the total amount of Myth and Soldiery Tomestones you can get from the dungeon.

I would tend to report those to a GM... no big hopes on that, but maybe they get disciplined, ...

There is no Rule they are breaking exactly, but is against the good manners in an MMO...

Myth Farm Grps are very common today, not hard finding or form one in PF, so no reason to mess with the Roulette runs...
Only exception would be DD´s other than Bard or BLM, due to lack of AoE Damage, most PF Groups are formed about those two classes only, making it hard for a Dragoon to find a Myth-Grp...

moral aside, don't get why ppl would use roulette to farm myth, as you get a 30 mins penatly to enter anything if you leave 1st before the duty ended, that is just not productive

Last time it happened it was a tank. My first reaction was filing a report but then i realized i would just get a standard reply so I gave up. I know that every solution would have its setbacks but it would still be better than just hoping you will be matched with players with common sense... i wouldn't give less mithos to those who join in progress since it would make harder getting to the end of a dungeon if someone quit with no reason ..

Maybe they could avoid giving rewards and drop if someone leaves before the end without the "vote abandon"option ..

Just make it so overcapped soldiery converts to myth... problem solved. There will be no incentive to leave after the second boss and it will make it so more players queue for DR since full runs are more time-effective.

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Originally Posted by Zaels

Just make it so overcapped soldiery converts to myth... problem solved. There will be no incentive to leave after the second boss and it will make it so more players queue for DR since full runs are more time-effective.

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I really like this suggestion.

It real sucks ppl's leaving after 2nd boss , there's mini solution for u that i doing to at least get safe to last boss :D . After 2nd one dead u FLEE to chest , open it and don't rolling on loot , voila u have now 5more mins to get to boss :D . Usually ppl's even if wanted to leave will have now to proceed cause it will make sence , and if refuse u can safely fill report in ;)

If this happens to you today, please stay in pt. I will be queuing as tank for quick and easy sol tomes because I fell behind this week. 324 to go! yay me! 7PM PST on goblin. :P

I know this wouldn't solve everything, but it should be based off the timer as well as each boss.

For example, you kill bosses 1 and 2 in Brayflox HM. You get to the last boss with 10~ minutes left,
and you cannot down him to save your life. Timer runs out and you are booted. You are rewarded
your Myth for the first 2 bosses after the timer runs out.

So basically you accumulate Myth per boss but you are not rewarded until either A.) The final boss
is killed or B.) The timer runs out due to not completing the dungeon.

I know this wouldn't help any with the que in progress, but if people wanted that Myth they would
run the entire dungeon/stay the entire timer or be rewarded with nothing. People are gonna que
in progress for last boss no matter what for Soldiery I think, there's really no way to fix that.

I also realize there are times where you might DC, or get kicked for no reason, etc. I know there
really is no "perfect" solution, but this might entice people to not go in for the first 2 bosses then
bail on the rest of the party.

Total agree, since reset is tomorrow this will be the first week since patch I've been unable to cap sold, since every dung I'm doing either healer or tank quits after second boss, it's got beyond a joke now and that the only way to cap is dungeon spam when reset happens

Also to add I've reported this six times since yesterday now and everytime got the standard support reply
I love the game but this is destroying one aspect of it due to selfish part of the community

I just hope moderators, GMs, developers or whoever is entitled will do something.

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

I would tend to report those to a GM... no big hopes on that, but maybe they get disciplined, ...

There is no Rule they are breaking exactly, but is against the good manners in an MMO...

Myth Farm Grps are very common today, not hard finding or form one in PF, so no reason to mess with the Roulette runs...
Only exception would be DD´s other than Bard or BLM, due to lack of AoE Damage, most PF Groups are formed about those two classes only, making it hard for a Dragoon to find a Myth-Grp...

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Hate to be on the bad people's side.. but as long as they aren't voting to abandon, they have every right to quit out of the dungeon and eat the 30 minute penalty. Reporting them in this instance is doing absolutely nothing since they aren't breaking any rules.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Hate to be on the bad people's side.. but as long as they aren't voting to abandon, they have every right to quit out of the dungeon and eat the 30 minute penalty. Reporting them in this instance is doing absolutely nothing since they aren't breaking any rules.

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Quitting like that could be seen as trolling .. i don't want to say it's should be considered as harrassment but since their actions affects badly other players' experience and it's annoying just like tells from RMT they should get something worse than 30min penalty during which they could do everything else. That's why reporting them to GMs should worth it and result in something different from a standard reply. . IMO

If they leave and get 30m penalty, that's fine, even if that does not makes any sense with "farming", as long as you cannot requeue for 30m.
If they instead will go afk waiting for a kick, you can report for harassment. Don't forget to make a ready check before start last boss, or you cannot report them for being afk after they told the party they are ready.

It affects badly other players? Yes. But that's not trolling. You don't see it clearly in that case, but you will in this other case: if one player its very bad (Very very bad) shoud I be able to report him? He might be afecting players badly, and be very annoying. But no one (or almost no one) thinks that shoud be reported. Is the same with that. They are not doing that to troll, it's just that 3º boss, for a really amazing bad desing, have no purpose for them.

Anyway, a suggestion that might work for people having troubles with this: Stay a bit in the dungeon. There's a lot of lazy guys like me that will join 2/3 dungeons because I don't care about mith (And if I cared I woud use pf to get them). Of course it will depend on your datacenter, but on mine I don't think anyone have to wait more than 5 minutes, even for healers or tanks, once in a 2/3 dungeons. Of course is diferent on a 0/3 or 1/3, but that's not the case we are talking about...

[TE=Elvin;2071061]It affects badly other players? Yes. But that's not trolling. You don't see it clearly in that case, but you will in this other case: if one player its very bad (Very very bad) shoud I be able to report him? He might be afecting players badly, and be very annoying. But no one (or almost no one) thinks that shoud be reported. Is the same with that. [/QUOTE]
I see your point but there a (big) difference in intentions. A bad player doesn't want to exploit others he's just bad for lag, lack of experience or whatever reason. He's just bad and chances are that he will even say something at the beginning while these are guys who don't care about other players and will quit without saying anything. In this case there's the intention to trick players. And the fact that they don't use party finder makes it worse.

These are the reasons why i think it could be seen as trolling..

À player that leaves the dungeon doesn't want to exploit others, he simply doesn't care.

ANway, really, have no sense to blame the player for such an amazing bad desing.


Yeah, of course people coud think about others and spend his time for others just to be a "good guy". Sure. That can happends some times, usually on the country of the candy :D

But usually won't happend, and the desing of the mechanics shoud be in place to appeal for some "good manners". The way they're right now it's incredible. If it was in my hand I woud have people fired for the amazing bad work they're doing with this in SE. Yeah, mistakes can happend, but come on... how come this is not solved on 2.25??

I wonder why people still do the expert roulette. Normal brayflox myth run is 8 min, add 7 min and you have 45 ToS. And which is faster - 15 minutes brayflox for 45 ToS or 40 minutes amdapor for 70 ToS?
Also the 30 min penalty is kind of non-existent now due to atma/animus farm.

I don't understand people farming Bray by taking a 30 min hit after every run. That kind of defeats the purpose, no?

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Originally Posted by Cap75

I don't understand people farming Bray by taking a 30 min hit after every run. That kind of defeats the purpose, no?

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The ones being idiotic by doing it by queuing with the DF or the ones setting up runs in the PF? Cause, if you are queuing as a group with the max size for the place you want(Aside from CT? Maybe?), the penalty means nothing.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

I wonder why people still do the expert roulette.

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Money :3. Also, i HATE speedruns (thanks to the ·$%&())= speed runs to Aurum Vale/Cutter's Cry back in 1.0). I need the myths, but i'm not going to rush dungeons like everyone does. I don't care to do Brayflox in 20 minutes when "pro" players are doing it in... 5 minutes? Dear lord.

I did speedruns back to Wanderer Palace back in 1.0. I got full Darklight set with every job. Yeah, great.. at which cost? i ended really burned and tired of WP at the point i want to cry if i got it on my daily roulette... Doesn't worth it. One/two books each week doing just daylies and maybe a couple of expert roulettes. No more. Enough

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Originally Posted by Muzy

The ones being idiotic by doing it by queuing with the DF or the ones setting up runs in the PF? Cause, if you are queuing as a group with the max size for the place you want(Aside from CT? Maybe?), the penalty means nothing.

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I'm mean specifically using the DF by yourself and dropping like the OP's example. Pugging it then dropping and taking the 30 min hit. I farm it all the time with my FC then vote to abandon and jump back in. Doing it without a group of people already agreed to abandon after the second boss seems... less than efficient.

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Originally Posted by Merle

Money :3. Also, i HATE speedruns (thanks to the ·$%&())= speed runs to Aurum Vale/Cutter's Cry back in 1.0). I need the myths, but i'm not going to rush dungeons like everyone does. I don't care to do Brayflox in 20 minutes when "pro" players are doing it in... 5 minutes? Dear lord.

I did speedruns back to Wanderer Palace back in 1.0. I got full Darklight set with every job. Yeah, great.. at which cost? i ended really burned and tired of WP at the point i want to cry if i got it on my daily roulette... Doesn't worth it. One/two books each week doing just daylies and maybe a couple of expert roulettes. No more. Enough

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For battle classes money are useless.
While i have not done speed runs in 1.0 i understand your point - many people want to do everything sooner, faster and better while missing the point game is meant to relax and socialize. But even making 4 mobs per pull is still better than using the DF.