Ok, I've had enough of something, but does the community as well..

Heavy.

Specifically, on a mount, doing let's say, dailies in a Beastmen stronghold.

I understand the purpose - aggressive mobs, you get aggro, a debuff you take to make you a bit more of a prime target. You can either hop off the chocobo and kill the mob, or sluggishly run away.

However - WHY are there -NO- diminishing returns on this? I was just trying to complete a task for one of the dailies, as I sat there trying to make the drake do it's thing, an archer was attacking me. The interrupt was annoying, but without help that was just a matter of time before it would dodge if I spammed the move. What I noticed though was that it restacked a full dose of Heavy status - 8 times.

So again, why are there no diminishing returns on this?

Might due to avoid being able to run away scot free. Imagine a map that is filled with enemies every 2 meters. If there was a diminishing return on heavy, you will be heavied for the first 30-40 seconds and be able to outrun any mobs after that without any consequences whatsoever.

It is annoying I agree, but the mobs themselves don't pose a threat to anyone anyway so either just keep running or kill them real quick. I'd wish for it to have a diminishing return too, well, only if enemies are actually poweful enough to kill me :D

When it happens, get off your chocobo and sprint. Or play a class that can cleanse it, like WHM, SCH, PLD(?), DRG...

To be honest I cant think of one example in any game where the player characters had the same gradual resistance build up as monsters.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

To be honest I cant think of one example in any game where the player characters had the same gradual resistance build up as monsters.

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Poor Maid's Misfortune FATE in Upper La Noscea. The Couerl paralyzes you from time to time, but after the 3rd or so attempt, your character will "fully resist" the Paralysis.

Same thing in Amdapor Keep with the last boss and the Disease breath.

As Jungilee was saying, I've had it occur on other situations before, where if a certain effect (ie. poison, disease, paralyze, etc) hit my guy, the effect lessens till there is a full resist, before a full stack gets put on the next time. So I'm wondering if this is intentional, or if this was an oversight that has never been addressed because up until now no one has really bothered to say anything regarding it.

To be honest, up until now I also haven't bothered mentioning it, because I understand it's purpose in the game. I'm not requesting it's removal, there needs to be some element of danger (even if the mobs themselves are pathetic), but the effects should be balanced across the board.

Till then, if ever, I guess I'll start running dailies on a healer instead so I can esuna it off. Which, at the same time, also doesnt really help because you cant remount your chocobo/whatever if you have aggro anyways. Bah.

Even esuna-ing that shit got annoying. Not gonna lie I quit doing dailies because I can't deal with this anymore :/

Sprint everywhere instead, it's almost as fast and you don't get 'Heavy' while on foot (well I never have anyway.)

THIS WOULD BE ALL FINE AND GOOD IF THE MOBS WE'RE DANGEROUS!!

But they're not, ever dangerous. I see what the intent is but it's NOT happening the way you planned it guys. The open world has ONLY trash mobs of varying hp stats about and killing them is NOT hard at all not even remotely so.
If you want us to be terrified of the effect slow slapped on us then do something about it make those mobs 10 times harder.

Right now this status effect is only even noticed because it makes traveling between areas a real pain when it happens.

No once in this entire game have I or anyone else ever even noticed the slow effect being applied on us during battle because the easiness of these mobs makes that completely irrelevant status effect to deal with.

Seif, you do have a point, there's a slight reason for that though.

You've been around awhile though so I know you remember the way the open world was in 1.0, there were places you simply couldn't travel into, at least easily, due to mobs that were IMMENSELY stronger than you were, some of which could easily one shot even the most stalwart of players.

I do miss that element actually, while it was frustrating in some aspects because there was some places in 1.0 I really wanted to see, navigating around some of the mobs was rough. Should've joined my FC when they did a run for all of the aetheryte crystals before servers went down, ah well.

But yes, you have a point, the open world is, once you hit level 50, not really a threat. A couple things they could do with this in the current system.



I sincerely doubt they'll increase mob strength for a few reasons, but mainly there's nowhere in the current game world that really needs insanely powerful mobs guarding it.

They could remove Heavy and replace it with a short Bind debuff. It ensures you literally cannot run away, or act in any way, let the current mob actually get a few hits in before you get released then start running away again. BUT, only if they include diminishing returns with that, so that after the 3rd Bind, you resist it completely and you should, at that point, be able to get away from the threat completely.

But yeah, I do kind of miss the stupidly overpowered mobs that were in 1.0, it was always quite a moment of 'crap' when you start running past a level 10 mob then come face to face with a level 80 mob lol

Edit: Add - Ah yes, the reason for that, because it makes no sense. It didn't really make sense in a lot of zones to have such insanely powerful mobs lurking around. In some rare cases it did, such as deeeeep into the Shroud, or in the really far depths of Coethras. But as I was saying before, with going past a lvl 10 mob, then you see a lvl80, the scale was drastically off. They have that scale balanced now, each region has a certain range of mobs. Until they open the world up further, I doubt we'll see any of those very powerful mobs for awhile. They could still do that in the future, just to give players a challenge if they want to try and take something down. I mean, even though a mob is lvl50 now in some instances, like Coil, realistically it should easily be level 80+.

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Originally Posted by Akujin

So again, why are there no diminishing returns on this?

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To annoy the hell out of us is all I can think about...

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Originally Posted by Seif

THIS WOULD BE ALL FINE AND GOOD IF THE MOBS WE'RE DANGEROUS!!

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I completely agree.

While it doesn't deter me from doing Beastmen dailies I too really find Heavy to be extremely annoying, not terrifying.
Not only are the mobs not strong enough to even make me worry, as they completely stop chasing you once you set 1 step out of their normal roaming area you don't even get threat by numbers.

I think the timer should be lowered, that's it. Maybe down to 10 or 15 seconds? 30 is a little extreme, especially when the damn mob lands heavy seconds before it de-aggros...

lol slow, back in the days when you agro'ed something you had to run to the zone while a train of mobs followed you.

My dailies took an extra 30 seconds because I couldn't be bothered to avoid or kill mobs! :(

I think they should make the penalty worse, simply because people complain about something that isn't a big deal, and is working perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

When it happens, get off your chocobo and sprint. Or play a class that can cleanse it, like WHM, SCH, PLD(?), DRG...

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Sprinting with Heavy is actually slower. The effect is on you and stays until it wears or gets removed, unlike 1.0 where it was just the Chocobo being lamed.

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Originally Posted by Seif

THIS WOULD BE ALL FINE AND GOOD IF THE MOBS WE'RE DANGEROUS!!

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Jump up on your mount with a level 1 class if you have any left. Then run through Sapsa... See how long before you're dead...

I understand the level 1 sentiment, but I want to feel afraid walking in there at level 50.
Getting hit with Weight should invoke an "Oh shit!" response at any level, not an "Oh piss off!"

We're not going into a beastmen zone at level 1 if we don't have a reason to, even if it is to feel "afraid".
By the time the game sends us in with a purpose we have already reached a level where individual mobs aren't even a threat anymore.
Things might get a tad hairy for a fresh level 50 int their AF loins if there are 3 or more mobs beating on them, but even that can be solved by running 10 meters in any random direction as they lose interest once we move out of their personal space anyway.

There is no threat, there's nothing to be afraid off, there is no reason to have to sneak around.
And why? Aparently because placing high level mobs in certain locations "would be too stressful".

Its the cheap way for SE to make the world appear "dangerous".. instead of actual high level danger..... its not dangerous...Its ANNOYING!!

Put dark matter golems everywhere. Problem solved lol.
Ain't no lalafell getting past those guys. NONE.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Jump up on your mount with a level 1 class if you have any left. Then run through Sapsa... See how long before you're dead...

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Before i even got to the gate i died from an auto attack outside by a jellyfish.
Then when i finally got inside i died from another auto attack / heavy attack thing from the gate guard.
Try running it with a DoL level 1 class.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Put dark matter golems everywhere. Problem solved lol.
Ain't no lalafell getting past those guys. NONE.

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Heck, something like that would be great.
I don't need any HNM like creatures roaming around in the open world outside of FATEs, but having (true sight) mobs that can kill even an ilevel 100+ player in a couple of hits guarding several open world sites would be great.

Fuck Heavy.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Or play a class that can cleanse it, like WHM, SCH, PLD(?), DRG...

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Wow, hope you're not actually suggesting this.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Before i even got to the gate i died from an auto attack outside by a jellyfish.
Then when i finally got inside i died from another auto attack / heavy attack thing from the gate guard.
Try running it with a DoL level 1 class.

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Sounds dangerous :)

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Originally Posted by Shirai

I understand the level 1 sentiment, but I want to feel afraid walking in there at level 50.
Getting hit with Weight should invoke an "Oh shit!" response at any level, not an "Oh piss off!"

We're not going into a beastmen zone at level 1 if we don't have a reason to, even if it is to feel "afraid".
By the time the game sends us in with a purpose we have already reached a level where individual mobs aren't even a threat anymore.
Things might get a tad hairy for a fresh level 50 int their AF loins if there are 3 or more mobs beating on them, but even that can be solved by running 10 meters in any random direction as they lose interest once we move out of their personal space anyway.

There is no threat, there's nothing to be afraid off, there is no reason to have to sneak around.
And why? Aparently because placing high level mobs in certain locations "would be too stressful".

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The best games are damn stressful. I agree with all you said.