A quick look through the forums and I see many people requesting that pets be introduced to the game with new classes to accompany the pets. I feel adding a Summoner or Beastmaster may feel out of place with the current settings of the world but pets shouldn't be ignored entirely. My idea basically would be to add a new element to the game of owning pets without having to be a specific class to use such. Good pet choices would obviously be a Moogle, a Mammet, a baby Chocobo and a baby Wyvern. The actual use of these pets could be similar to the function of NPC partner system in FFXI. They could rank up with you, learn new skills, interact with you and help you with everyday tasks. I even took some time to think up some quick ideas for such. There are many possibilities to what the pet can do for you to improve your play experience and many developer elements such as pet affinity or pet behavior. A player should be allowed to own all the pet types, but only able to call upon one pet at a time. Basically would be just like having a pet in real life allowing you to feed, neglect and play with a pet as any class of course. Because I own a dog and a cat does not normally make me a Beastmaster right?
Moogle: Acquired through quest "To Charm a Moogle" Rank 30
Mage Class
Skills: Tackle, Cure, Protect, Shell
Special Ability: Benediction(Instant): Fully heal you when reaching critical HP (2hour reuse)
Mammet: Acquired through quest "Fix my Robot" Rank 30
Ranger Class
Skills: Shoot, Sidewinder, Hide, Disable
Special Ability: Repair: Fully repair a weapon, tool, accessory or equipment (2hour reuse)
Chocobo: Acquired through quest "Summoning the Fat Chocobo" Rank 30
Melee Class
Skills: Peck, Wing Attack, Fly, Treasure Finder*Trait (Occasionally finds items while called out)
Special Skill: Chocobo Song: Your Baby Chocobo chirps a tune that lightens your heart. (30 minute hasten like Hermes' Sandals effect) 2hour reuse
Dragon: Acquired through quest "Tame that Dragon" Rank 30
Melee Class
Skills: Bite, Scratch, Dragon Rage(ATK/MATK Up), Flamethrower
Special Skill: Ancient Wisdom: 30 minutes of +5% Skill and Experience points gain (2hour reuse)
Again just random ideas for a possible pet element to the game that would not be a copy of pets in FFXI. Just thought it would be fun to toss out some ideas that doesn't force having pets in the game to adding a new class just for each pet. A good player could fully utilize the element of a pets full potential and enjoy a cute partner in the game.
Oh, pets should be allowed to be named and come in various colors of course, for Moogles it would be the little ball on its head.
Pets without SMN, BST, PUP, and DRG
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03-09-2011, 12:14 PMHotohoriPets without SMN, BST, PUP, and DRG
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03-09-2011, 12:22 PMAkumu
I like your ideas but would have to disagree on you with this. Like me many others would really love our pet jobs from ffxi brought or re-imagined in ffxiv(would love to see how my wyvern would look with these graphics). For me the name Dragoon doesn't have to be the name but give me a class with my wyvern(and Jump!) back and i will be happy.
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03-09-2011, 12:29 PMAngelOfDestruction
The ideas are nice, but I would kill for a summoner class again. It was by far my favorite class in FFXI, however that is probably far off from now.
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03-09-2011, 12:31 PMRau
I love how you used Pokemon attack names.
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03-09-2011, 12:31 PMWolfOak
I like the idea of having a person pet (or many.) I have been advocating for a Carrier Pigeon > Hawk class. It would be useful as a delivery service in addition to all the other useful abilities.
I would also like to see summoner show up, but not for a good little while yet. -
03-09-2011, 01:11 PMHotohori
Still if you look beyond at the history of Final Fantasy as a whole and not just 11, true pet classes are incredibly rare. Outside of Final Fantasy 11 the class/job Dragoon does not possess a pet wyvern to use or control. Summoning specific characters are exclusive to only FF4, 9, 10 and 11 where as all other versions of the game any or multiple people could use and control them as pets. If a player wanted classes true to the Final Fantasy name, shouldn't it be more realistic for a Dragoon not to have a pet at all. Beastmaster is the only class that regularly uses and controls pets to battle and Puppetmaster like characters in previous games do not appear on the battlefield as themselves often. Sorry if I missed any major pet classes that existed outside of 11, my memory is little fuzzy.
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03-09-2011, 01:19 PMDiscordia
Right now with the system balanced the way it is, pets have no place in the game. There is a very difficult balancing decision to make regarding pets and many games have tried (and failed) to do so. Either you end up with an unplayable class or you end up with a very overpowered and often the class itself is susceptible to player abuse (i.e., exploits) I think SE needs to try to separate this from FFXI and not have permanent pets but maybe look into something more temporary or tied to abilities of a class.
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03-09-2011, 01:21 PMAkumuThis is completely true for the single player experience but most(including me) would like the online to continue this trend and allow us to have those pets(even though I would still play as a drg just give me jump lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotohori
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03-09-2011, 01:48 PMNivana
I would like to see Summons added to the game, though since I agree with the earlier post
Therefore instead of pets that stay out and use abilities, the possible addition of quested spells that summon the [GF, summon, avatar, etc] for a moment for it to use its ability, then it dissapears (also like Odin & Alexander in FFXI). That way it is just another spell and shouldn't be too difficult to stop it from making a class overpowered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discordia
Random thoughts:
*No necessity to add a new class since Conjurer...conjures.
*They can also add items that are consumed when the player casts a summon to make it so they can make them much more powerful than a normal spell.
As for DRG, in tactics they didn't have wyverns running around with them. Just think of Lancer as the new DRG. -
03-09-2011, 01:52 PMJedgarI too miss my Jump dammit. How can you have a Final Fantasy game with a Polearm class without Jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akumu
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03-09-2011, 01:53 PMVesper
Your ideas are not bad at all. But what makes classes with pets seem out of place in this world? That just baffles me, I see no reason whatsoever why they would not fit? o_O;;
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03-09-2011, 02:44 PMAreeyaJaidee
No thank you. I LOVE SMN, BST, PUP, and DRG and will advocate and petition that they are in FFXIV :D
SMN, BST, PUP, and DRG ftw! -
03-09-2011, 03:07 PMFrebaut
The only problem i see is if all classes can summon a pet they would be so over powered. Not sure how to fix it but that seems to be the opnly problem i see with every class able to summon.
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03-09-2011, 03:12 PMGath
GIT OUT WITH THIS GARBAGE >:o
I ALSO SEEM TO HAVE HAD MY BILLY MAYS KEY PRESSED WHEN I POSTED THIS! -
03-09-2011, 03:12 PMAreeyaJaidee
Check my "SE we need a Summoner class!" post in General Discussion. My LS and I did a theory crafting session about Summoner. We all came to the conclusion that Advanced classes would have to have class specific skills.
Basically SMN skills would be less potent and less reliable when used by other classes. -
03-09-2011, 03:17 PMAkumuThis problem is solved easily by allowing pet jobs/classes be like the DRG in XI where onlt the DRG was able to summon a wyvern and nobody subbing drg could. So in this case advanced jobs would have specific abilities others couldnt use(which would also make classes more unique).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frebaut
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03-09-2011, 04:06 PMBloodLotus
I'd love to see a Necromancer class. Pull up skellies from the ground and summon devilets.
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03-09-2011, 04:48 PMHotohori
Pet classes in Final Fantasy 14 just seem highly difficult to facilitate is all. Lore and history seems to suggest that Eikons are higher beings worshiped by the beast tribes. Ifrits is the only shown Eikon so far but its size alone in the game easily compares to the size of the biggest monsters in Eorzea like Great Buffalo. There seems to be only one Ifrit(Amal'ja), one Shiva(Sylph), one Leviathan(Sahagin), one Titan(Kobold), one Garuda(Ix'ial) and one Bahamut in the world from whats suggested so far. Summoning them at all seems to be a taboo act with each Eikon nearly at war with each other. The developers to just tossing all this out to please fans and giving mini versions to every player to control freely is just hard to see happening.
Game balance with pet mechanics are incredibly difficult to design with so many possible variables to think out in a game like Final Fantasy 14. When thinking of all the viable uses the pet jobs offered in Final Fantasy 11, the ones that come to mind are mostly abuses and violations. MPK, Astral Burns and scripted Puppet Bombers are probably enough reason discourage developers from creating possible future unforeseen abuses for players to exploit.
Dragonkin in Final Fantasy 14 seem to be the second common enemy among the people and beast tribes of Eorzea. The first common enemy being the Garleans. Having a class to work alongside dragonkin would be another unlikely situation.
For Dragoon, the signature moves could be Jump I, II, III, Lancet I, II, III, Dragon Breath I, II, III with a lance as a weapon. This hardly covers the skill per every two level requirement that a Disciple of War would have. Would summoning be available to other classes? Beastmaster would have to live with Charm, Call Beast, Reward I, II, III, IV and pretty much as well. Attack, heel, release and such wouldn't be likely skills to have a II or III version at all. With so few available skills to use it would be incredibly hard to design a unique and usable class at all. Even filling the skill sets of these classes with weapon related skills and actions won't really make them a pet class anymore.
Pet classes in 11 were really second rate classes for the longest time. Do people really want these so bad even if they were poorly designed? Monster AI just do not function the same and the issue of territories comes to mind. Even if i can force a monster to leave its territory while charmed, it would likely run away without stop all the way to where I brought it from when I release it. I just don't know what it is about the pet jobs that players are asking for if not the pet part which my idea seems to be a compromise of.
tl;dr: Pets classes are hard to add without rewriting the current gameplay, lore, battle and monster system completely. -
03-09-2011, 05:03 PMJedgar
I think a Summoner class in this setting of Final Fantasy would only be able to ask for a "Blessing" Eikon. No having Carby pull because the Ranger is tired of pulling. (Yes there is a funny story behind that one that happened in Quifm).
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03-09-2011, 05:09 PMGrundy
@ Hotohori Wall-o-text much? o.O
I'll just add, I really miss my BST. That is all. -
03-09-2011, 06:31 PMHotohori
Yeah it came out longer than I thought. I personally leveled all the above classes in 11 as a career soloist or a pseudo White Mage, long before astral burn and such existed and they would always be disregarded over other jobs that provided necessary elements to a group in the end. They couldn't provide anything in special 11 besides some solo action and very likely won't add anything special to 14 if they didn't change drastically somehow. Also highly specialized classes will end up the main classes to play in the end with all other classes becoming a simple prerequisite to rank up simply for usable skills and traits to share in 14. A pet specific class would have a extra something that no other class could have to be on equal footing with it.
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03-09-2011, 07:11 PMGathEw, that doesn't fit with ANYTHING FF....GW has necros, go there ;OQuote:
Originally Posted by BloodLotus
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03-09-2011, 07:34 PMSephr
They can easily make it fit with the lore. In FFXI there was only one shiva/ifrit/garuda etc, and they got around it by giving out their power in the form of 'avatars', the same could be done here.
In addition to that, even if summoner doesnt fit perfectly how does that affect the other jobs? mammets are already in the game which would be awesome PUP pets (or engineer or whatever), and we have plenty of different beast species with more to come hopefully.
Also, necromancers have been in final fantasies (V and XI at least, Lamia were often necromancers and there were a few NPCs you could interact with who were too. I believe those Aqueducts in CoP supposedly had a necromancer in them) before, that said I'd much prefer to see some more interesting and uniquely-final fantasy pet jobs first. -
03-09-2011, 07:38 PMGath
Though they easily can, they won't, it just doesn't go with FF.
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03-09-2011, 07:39 PMFlasher
dont like the idea so much at that is only because you will see everyone with a pet then
maybe make it possoble that you can summon it for anima at a crystal and it stays for 2 á 4 hours ? -
03-09-2011, 07:45 PMGathIf it cost anima, nobody would have a pet out -.-;Quote:
Originally Posted by Flasher
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03-09-2011, 07:46 PMPiguette
In FF3, there was a quest where you sneak into a Bahamut nest and inside it, you could find eggs and hatchlings.
One thing that would be great will be to be able to raise one from a hatchling.
So, this would be more a gatherer and crafting class than a battle class.
At least you can expect to have for one time, something different from EQ system.