Seriously, rank 14 is a slap on the face of everyone that worked hard to get it at rank 38. That's even easier than getting cure II. Rank 14 is like an hour or less of leveling. They should have made it rank 25 or rank 30.
Raise/Ressurect too low
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07-14-2011, 08:26 PMDyneRaise/Ressurect too low
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07-14-2011, 08:27 PMCairdeas
Paladins get it at level 10 in WoW. Clerics get it level 9 in D&D. White Mages get it at 25 (of 99) in FFXI, which is about 14/50 so, Please shut up.
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07-14-2011, 08:28 PMEekiki
/facepalm.
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07-14-2011, 08:28 PMVackashken
Not to be a party pooper but I completely agree. Its way too low. It should be 30 (38 was too high) and raise 2 should be 50. Its just too damn accommodating to easy play.
Anyway, I'm sure this will be flamed to hell by the SE zealots who think they're capable of no wrong. -
07-14-2011, 08:30 PMSonic_the_Hedgehog
As I said in another thread,
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....maybe the reason why Raise and Resurrect are R14 is because when you're KOed and you use Return, you incur a durability penalty. If Raise is low then more people can go around giving raises and helping out their fellow players and also help them not lower their equipment durability.
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07-14-2011, 08:31 PMEekikiI would agree with this if it wasn't for the fact that the cooldown will be increased from 1 minute to 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vackashken
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07-14-2011, 08:31 PMDyneThey are making easy mode, easier mode. I have absolutely no fear of death already. Sometimes, I just let people die for giggles. You are CON rank 1, you don't even play.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 08:33 PMChiefCurrahee
Its about making the game accessible to more players. Not about all the "hard" work you put into your character. It might not take very long to get to Rank 14, that means maybe more than 1 or 2 people in your PT will have raise ready to go when it hits the fan.
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07-14-2011, 08:33 PMCairdeasRaise at rank 14 doesn't make the game easier. Also, the character I have listed is a joke character, thats why its name is FEMALE ROEGADYN which is what I plan to play full time when they release. I have multiple characters on multiple accounts and as of saturday now have multiple rank 50's including Conjurer and Marauder. Please don't jump to conclusions about players because of their side bar, it makes you look dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
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07-14-2011, 08:34 PMVackashkenThing is everyone and their mom will have raise now so there will be plenty of time to cycle through raise amongst party members. Resurrect will guarantee there will always be a complete cycle to be had even if the party wipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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07-14-2011, 08:35 PMCairdeasa 5 Minute cooldown means everyone would have to waste the AP to have the skill equipped or they'd be waiting 5 minutes for it to cool down. That is a LONG damn time in a dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vackashken
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07-14-2011, 08:38 PMVackashkenYou'd be a fool not to have a slot open for it on a dungeon run. So again, irrelevant in all honesty. But honestly, this isn't worth a debate to me. I think its too easy and silly. Others will herald it as the greatest thing ever. To each his own - I'll be playing regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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07-14-2011, 08:41 PMEekiki
So here's what we need, then. Like Raise II and Rebirth will be, Raise and Resurrect need to be exclusive to Conjurer. Would that make you happy?
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07-14-2011, 08:43 PMPetoriHow is having raise accommodating easy play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vackashken
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07-14-2011, 08:44 PMRenshi
Just wait for when you'll be able to use it. You will notice that *Coming Soon*
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07-14-2011, 08:47 PMDyneProve it, otherwise, no credibility, just a troll that thinks it is better than everybody else. It's not so hard to just return from the aetheryte. I don't even see many dead people lying around in the first place. 25% hp/mp reduction I would still have 2k hp on gladiator. How many people have CON pretty high up already, because there isn't much to do in the game in the first place? I would say 6/8 people in my regular leves party would be able to use rebirth. Raise at rank 14 does make the game easier. Even my mule can raise now. There is no fear of wiping, no fear of dying. That means, people could care less about playing good.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 08:50 PMAnonymoose
Raise at 14 makes it convenient - but not easier. How far do you want wander from an aether at that level, anyway? If you returned, you'd probably make it back to your previous location faster than waiting for someone to cast raise on you. This is about durability loss and convenience - there's no additional ease here. I just dun' get it.
I don't mean this directed at you, OP, but I feel bad for the development team to see even the most basic changes that affect virtually nothing in the long run torn into by people who claim to want to play the game. I think some players actually fear the day when they won't be able to vent their frustrations on FFXIV as an outlet anymore. -
07-14-2011, 08:52 PMDyneI played ffxi for 6 years, way longer than your leet red mage. Level 25 raise on white mage wasn't that hard to get. You have a rank 10 character now or you deleted it? Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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07-14-2011, 08:52 PMVackashkenMaybe. Like I said I feel its too easy but isn't worth the hashing over it for me. I'll be playing regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
The irony of you, of all people on these forums, having the audacity to use words like dumb or pathetic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Ah, that was great... thanks for that. -
07-14-2011, 08:54 PMDyneThat's an hour of leveling. I worked harder to get cure II and sacrifice II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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07-14-2011, 08:55 PMKilta_FirelotusBe concerned over yourself and not others. People will still play bad even with every tedious addition. You being very rude to someone who has been posting longer then you. You act so high and mighty over something so stupid. It a video game meant for enjoyment.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 08:56 PMSynthesis
I fully agree, raise at R14 is easy. Too much early. R26 would be much better. :P end of words. Now start throwing stones at my face, because I understand what OP means.
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07-14-2011, 08:59 PMAnonymooseTherefore, because you worked hard to get something that will come faster to others, it means less? So much less that you have to lash out at others to protect the validity of your investment? I'm sorry you feel like you've wasted some of your time and use that as an excuse to attack positive change to the game, but that's the breaks of playing a game that's effectively in indefinite beta status. It happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
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07-14-2011, 09:00 PMRaze
I think they're just trying to eliminate dungeon wipes being a complete disaster to avoid people's complaints, which is ironic since this thread exists.
If you're really that great then why the hell is raise coming in to play all the time anyway? Easy mode games means you don't die. -
07-14-2011, 09:00 PMDyneBecause you called me dumb, you meleeing red mage. Posting on the forums without a character makes you that much more credible? I don't think someone who hasn't experienced the game much is more qualified to their opinion. The game is easy enough already. Easy doesn't equal fun. Videogames are meant to challenge you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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07-14-2011, 09:02 PMKiroh
"NOT IMPLEMENTED YET, ALREADY NO NOT LIKE. DO NOT WANT11!!!!111!!!!!111ONE"
I know it's futile to ask, but can we please wait until they've actually done something to start criticizing it? -
07-14-2011, 09:02 PMKilta_Firelotusso what? who the ef cares. i would highly suggest you take a long gaming break. You obviously take playing... PLAYING a video game too seriously to complain about something so effin stupid. That you CLEARLY didn't think through. Once the job system is put in and a person activates it. You can't cross abilities over. The game is suppose to be about having fun not working or taking the game seriously. Death is and will always be nothing more then an annoyance. It does not make players become better even in ffxi with their exp down. All death did was waste time. And for your info. They are putting limitations on it. Like increased cool down AND 100+ mp to cast. Having it be low is a good thing. It puts more community insentive back hopefuly. Learn to not take a game so seriously or just understand you out grew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
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07-14-2011, 09:03 PMEekikiOh yeah? Well your mother tanks as a WAR/WHM!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
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07-14-2011, 09:04 PMKirohBradygames says it's as good as a Paladin! D=Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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07-14-2011, 09:04 PMRinsuiI'll use my fire staff on your sister.Quote:
Oh yeah? Well your mother tanks as a WAR/WHM!
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07-14-2011, 09:04 PMCendres
Ohhh I KNEW somebody was going to get upset reading the lodestone this morning ;) "I wonder who it'll be?" I told to myself, sipping my coffee.
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07-14-2011, 09:05 PMKilta_Firelotusright.... mr dumb expert games are meant to be fun. Challenges are meant to be fun. Not a pain. I played this game for 6 months. And quit for only 2 reason your opinion is trash from the start because you have no clue what a video GAME is and take it too seriously. Who cares if i was a melee rdm on ff11. I was good at it. It wasn't hard to do. I mean hello you had AA doing the dmg I just casted my spells on others >.> not that hard to do.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 09:07 PMPetoriWhy do you take a forum too seriously? You complain about complaining so much that it's not even funny any more. Is it really worth your time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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07-14-2011, 09:07 PMKirohHeya Siali, what blend is on the menu today? =DQuote:
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07-14-2011, 09:08 PMGidonoidon_Sur
Kind of surprised THM got raise at 14 as well. I think they should have put it at r25 (for THM). Plus, how many people have THM 25 and don't have CON near that level (and therefore would have CON raise anyway).
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07-14-2011, 09:08 PMDyneRank 14 is too low, its too easy to get that. I can do that with my eyes closed. Rank 25 or 30 is more justified. And yes, people who hasn't put the time in the game to experience how much it sucks has no credibility basing their opinion based on what they read on paper.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 09:11 PMCendresDark roast with a touch of hazelnut syrup. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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07-14-2011, 09:13 PMEekikiAdd a shot of Khalua to that and you got yourself a fine breakfast.Quote:
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07-14-2011, 09:13 PMKilta_Firelotus
easy/hard is subjective dude. As is fun.
One person might find something easy. While someone else would think of it as hard. But both find it fun. If you think the game is too easy for you snobby ways. Find a harder game. I hate ppl like you. I seriously do. You think your soo cool that you take a video game so seriously and think your all that. That a lvl 14 raise isn't good enough for "your" game bevcause you like tedious fun. If you enjoy getting kicked in the jewels do not play a t rated mmo. Go play DCUO on a pvp serve. You will get kicked a lot.
If anyone wants a "hard" challening gamke seruiously gp play dcuo on a pvp server. Both factions are inter mingled and you die a lot. And you gear does in fact break. Oh and no one helps. Much like pvp in Aion. Honestly i hate macho tough guys. -
07-14-2011, 09:13 PMDyneI can make you cry as war/whm.Quote:
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