Roulette and unresponsive bad player

This week, I've encounter at least 2 player per evening, while doing roulette, that I had/should have kick from PT. That is A LOT of people and possibly bad luck. They were all acting in the same way!

- Wont read, reply or acknowledge anything said in chat log.
- Really bad player
- Will aggro stuff
- Doesn't have a clue on strategies

Also, those player appears mostly in dungeons lower than level 50.

It suck cuz I want to teach them how to do stuff instead of constantly wiping and ending up kicking them from the party. Even gil sellers plays better than that.

But my question is, have any of you encounter these type of people in your Roulette lately? And, wtf?!

Do not give me the PS3/4 excuse because you don't need to reply to anything when someone explain the strategy in chat log.

EDIT: I'm talking about behaviour that looks like botting (not a human controlling the character). Please post your stories.

Or maybe you are just an elitist a-hole who is kicking less experienced players.

I only run the expert dungeons and sometimes the high lvl ones. The lower lvl dungeons are pointless now. But when I did run them I had no issues completing them with a random party. Maybe a bit more patience, or the newest players really do suck at mmo's.

Apparently there have been people botting during dungeons so maybe it's that?

There's no excuse to kick an unexperienced player in Low Level Roulette if he is not afk or offline. Period.

Yeah it can be annoying if that new player has an important role being the tank or heal, but thats just the reason why you get a bonus for your roulette.


This is pure speculation now:
From the style you are writing I would expect you are not a patient one.

I have run into some players who think spitting out an uppercase sentence like

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Originally Posted by DerpyDerp

BOSS GUNNA DO ADDS RUN SIDE KAY?

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can be understood as a boss explanation.

I came across what I thought was a bot in Copperbell NM for one of my books, the CNJ in the group kept trying to say something to the GLD about why he's not using a particular technique and the GLD didn't acknowledge it, eventually after trying numerous times, me and the CNJ, to get him to acknowledge it all we got was a very random 1 word reply, can't remember exactly what the word was but it was totally unrelated to anything to do with the dungeon, then during the slime boss he died and went back to the start point, then he just stood there for about 6-7 minutes before we decided to boot him.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

There's no excuse to kick an unexperienced player in Low Level Roulette if he is not afk or offline. Period.

Yeah it can be annoying if that new player has an important role being the tank or heal, but thats just the reason why you get a bonus for your roulette.


This is pure speculation now:
From the style you are writing I would expect you are not a patient one.

I have run into some players who think spitting out an uppercase sentence like

can be understood as a boss explanation.

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Exactly. I run into this when I tank lowbie roulette (levelin alt classes). I offer to give explanations and info before fights and someone will always do "avoid aoe, burn" then go.

Again, if you're kicking people from your dungeon because they're "bad", then that is a reportable abuse of votekick. Now, if said bad players told you off or went AFK on purpose, then you'd be justified.

That said, your tone in OP really isn't going to help you win me over here. I tank lowbie roulettes for a reason, and even if I get a "bad" player, they've been really good at taking suggestions/advice (provided I give it in a constructive manner). If you want a "Perfect run" then PF or stop rouletting. Roulette is a game of chance, after all.

For the record, those players may be "bad" because they're "new". I've even seen some players in 50 dungeons using "wrong rotations" and blah blah because they decided to grind first room of whatever, and never learned their class inside and out.

TL;DR: Kicking because they're bad isn't valid, and I'm guessing the "bad luck" you get is Karma.

I had an archer that wouldn't stop killing the bombs in copperbell (normal), she wouldn't listen to us and just kept killing them. It was kinda funny at first, but in the end I told her to go stand in the corner til the fight was done and strangely she did O.o

anyway. I figure the newer players come with the PS4 and don't have a KB /shug they'll learn soon enough I guess

Most of you guys jumped to conclusion I'm an impatient player or elitist. Even tho I pointed out I've multiple time wipe in those dungeons and explained to them the strategy. I want to teach them, not to kick them. But the problem is, they do not read the PT chat. I even ask in auto-translate, when I see they are unresponsive, I ask in what language I can communicate with them. I'm french, know english and japanese. I also belive in auto-translate. I simply don't get any reply at all.

I admit I'm, in general, an impatient and perhaps cruel person, but I think it's pretty irrelevant to what I'm investigating. I'm not here to win anyone's love.

I probably should have use another word than "bad" to describe them to some of you. Those people look like bots. It's beyond bad. But I can't accuse of botting, I got no proof.

Enough defending myself, I really want to know what's going on, if botting is real, cuz it sure look that way and it is really not an enjoyable feeling to get in a party. I love this game because it forces to teamplay with random player, it often lead to fun time. Bot are just frustrating, ruining the experience for me. The point in gaming is to have fun...right?!

To anything, anyone would say, even in auto-translate, even saying it's name, that kind of "player" wont respond. They simply stay around the PT and hit whatever the tank hit. I know we can win easily with only 3 player, and that it look funny and stuff, but, I'm not a big fan of bot, and it's why I started this thread.

I'm probably fighting against the stream: bot are and will always be present, gotta learn to live with it. I probably should just let them be and shut up, it would actually save me the trouble on justifying myself on this forum.

So yeah, if anyone else has story that look like botting, please post them. Just like Skyl1n3 did.

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I came across what I thought was a bot in Copperbell NM for one of my books, the CNJ in the group kept trying to say something to the GLD about why he's not using a particular technique and the GLD didn't acknowledge it, eventually after trying numerous times, me and the CNJ, to get him to acknowledge it all we got was a very random 1 word reply, can't remember exactly what the word was but it was totally unrelated to anything to do with the dungeon, then during the slime boss he died and went back to the start point, then he just stood there for about 6-7 minutes before we decided to boot him.

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That bit of detail added in your last post and OP edit changes your story/thread goals significantly. Not trying to jump to conclusions, as much as internet skepticism (you know what I mean here).

In that case, I can't say I've seen dungeon botters, but I'd bet it's people being on autopilot, where you put on Netflix, mash 1,2,3, and just hit the tank's target. Once you run a dungeon enough, ya get lazy.

Here is my most recent story.

I was in Cutter's Cry on BLM with a WHM, a PLD and a MNK. I was having fun with the PLD, funny guy. The WHM was semi-afk, had to wait for him sometimes. I never said anything about it. I know some player play at work or has kid or whatever the reason. He was kind of a jerk too, but hey, I see it as it added color to the dungeon. So, it was all good. MNK was not talking at all, I don'T mind that at all either. At first boss, we try'd to do the Healer kiting the adds strat even tho I said I was kind of gimp dps. We agreed to give it a try anyway. Wipe'd. So yeah, it was kind of my fault there. (I accidently converted my rings into materia and forgot to get my new ones from retainer). Anywhoo.

We won on 2nd try, didn't notice anything wrong with the MNK so far, except he was hitting precisly everything the tank was hitting. Switching target a lot cuz the tank was trying to hold hate from all the adds, he switched a lot. So I tought to myself "damn that MNK is really awesome, he's focusing on what the tank hit! So much work!!!" So I cheered him on his awesome work after we won. Still no reply. I didn't perceive that as a bad thing as some people don't like to chat or play from bed with controller only or PS4, whatever!

Let's forward to chimera. I try'd to communicate with that MNK in many ways. All I had to tell him was to hug on violet and run on blue. We wiped 3 time, wasting mana on multiple raises. We won on 4th cuz we decided to let him rot dead on the floor. After like 3min he HP'd back to entrance and pathfinded his way back to exit perfectly.

This time we all realized too late that it was a bot. It got its free exp.

We won, so what's the problem?! Are the bots so bad?! Why am I starting a thread against them?! That one bot sure did fooled me!!!

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Originally Posted by Zaero

In that case, I can't say I've seen dungeon botters, but I'd bet it's people being on autopilot, where you put on Netflix, mash 1,2,3, and just hit the tank's target. Once you run a dungeon enough, ya get lazy.

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Those you are describing, you can eventually get their attention. Even if you on auto-pilot, when you aggro accidentally or wipe, you'll do something about it.
As I told in my previous story, I don't mind those type of player, it's their choice of gameplay and I respect that. I am no better.

I like that you question the fact that they might not be bots, it keeps another perspective to the situation. :)

I had a tank in Haukke normal mode that kept spamming Flash, Shield lob, and the MP recovery combo on their PLD. The BRD in the party and I kept trying to tell them to do the Rage of Halone combo literally over and over because their hate control was awful and they never listened. Eventually the BRD started talking about bot players and the pld responded like 2 minutes later about how they weren't a bot. They never responded to anything at all after that.

I think if you run into any PLDs that just spam the riot blade combo they are more likely a bot than just a bad player...

I mean PLD combos are so simple I can't fathom anyone being bad at them.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I had a tank in Haukke normal mode that kept spamming Flash, Shield lob, and the MP recovery combo on their PLD. The BRD in the party and I kept trying to tell them to do the Rage of Halone combo literally over and over because their hate control was awful and they never listened. Eventually the BRD started talking about bot players and the pld responded like 2 minutes later about how they weren't a bot. They never responded to anything at all after that.

I think if you run into any PLDs that just spam the riot blade combo they are more likely a bot than just a bad player...

I mean PLD combos are so simple I can't fathom anyone being bad at them.

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ugh, ran into a GLD in easy Copperbell Mines that only spammed Riot Blade. Urghhh

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

ugh, ran into a GLD in easy Copperbell Mines that only spammed Riot Blade. Urghhh

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This - I had this yesterday. I ran low roulette to level my WHM and got Copperbell with 3 new players. I gave advice to all of them and the two DPS were listening but the tank ignored everything I said. I was trying to tell him what to do with the slime and the bombs but he kept killing the bombs over and over and wouldn't Flash to hold hate on the slimes. At one point, he walked over to the blocked off part to try to blow that up. I threw one Eye for an Eye on him after we got one bomb off and had hate the rest of the battle. So I ended up holding the slimes, healing myself, killing the bunnies, and spawning the bombs (one DPS disconnected in the middle of the fight and the other died to the one bomb I was able to get to blow up) while he just farted around and killed every bomb that spawned from that point. I ended up just stopping casting heals on myself to start over and try again. After 3 tries of that with no changes, I had to quit and take my 30 minute penalty...

They might be bots. A bunch of times on the lowest three dungeons, I had tanks who simply wouldn't say a word, and just auto attack. Despite how much we talked there would be no response. Then we noticed certain behaviors which confirmed our doubts. They cure at a certain %, would visit every single room in the map. We ended up locking at least one out of the boss room and three manned it. Don't feel bad.. Really, if that person is behaving too strangely and being unresponsive its very likely he isnt even human lol.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

the pld responded like 2 minutes later about how they weren't a bot. They never responded to anything at all after that.

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That's exactly what I got in Copperbell NM.

Thanks guys for your stories, I am now certain that bots are real.

I normally don't report people. But this time it's personal, they directly kill my enjoyment of the game for 30min or so. I don't care if they bot, but don't bot in a freaking roulette with random player! Gosh!

Please, if you feel like I do, report those player using the "Support Desk" in-game.

Support Desk >> Contact Us >> Report Cheating

Things you need to write down:
- World Name (Well, it's Duty Finder)
- Zone
- Date
- Character Name
- Detail (Short description of your accusation)

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

ugh, ran into a GLD in easy Copperbell Mines that only spammed Riot Blade. Urghhh

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I had the exact same in tam-tara earlier this week. Ended up wih Eos both healing and tanking while all 4 of us were dps'ing.

I have had people just flat out ignore me, and not talk the entire time, but I'm not sure if any of them were bots. As others have stated, my only problem is when people won't listen to advice. I like to try and help people, but some people don't want to listen.

I had a DRG in Brayflox (normal) the other day that only used Heavy Thrust (and not always from the flank). I tried to give him advice on a rotation (the best I could with limited DRG experience). He even typed a couple of times, and would have simple responses like "Okay", but then would just continue spamming Heavy Thrust. After a few times trying to offer advice, I just gave up, and would move the mobs so that he would at least be on the flank for the buff.