So EU Datacentre's ? (REAL ONES)

I am curious what the devs position is on this seeing as the game is doing quite well, is there any news on weather we will actually get a local EU datacentre ?

I raise this question because Titan is still a pain in the ass for people with high latency and I think SE owe it to their EU customers to provide them with a decent connection.

VPN are all well and good but we shouldn't be expected to pay for 3rd party software to play a game which we are already paying for.

It's been a while since a thread has been brought up about this issue so a response from a community dev would be appreciated.

Edit:- Any input from players would be appreciated too.

Nobody cares ?

You are curious about it, but we are not SE so we can't answer what's the devs position on if they're gonna exist one day.

I think that is safe to say that we'll never have them. They don't care at all. Most people with huge lag problems have probably already left the game. People with little problems have left too, or just decided to stick here with them. I know people that have left the game because of this, but they will not come back if SE brings new servers, most of those users are already lost. So... Why spend money on that?

BUT...It's just my opinion. I woud like to have them. Once I decide not to renew my suscription that will be one of the things I'll say to myself, "They don't even have real EU servers and I have some latency issues". But for now I just deal with it..... I don't suffer a lot of latency anyway.Anoying, but...

I know the feeling i mean when i played star wars the old republic my latency was generally around 30-50 but in this game around freaking 100 which is just insane.

Currently located in Ireland and England, no latency issues in either case.

I have friends playing in Saudi-Arabia and as far as Autstralia who have no issues with latency affecting their ability to play the game.

If someone with a rocky connection in Australia is able to play on a Canadian data-centre i'd dare say the EU ones aren't really needed that badly.

Hi, I'm a noob and my comment here will be short because I don't really need to explain it so much.

I support this topic and I hope Square Enix will move the european data center to Europe. And I don't care about the possible answers of "They won't do it because it is not easy to move all the whole data center and is not worth of the money, bla bla bla bla bla"....

EUROPEAN DATA CENTER.... Hello?... It should maybe be in ... EUROPE?... No in Canada... you know... Canada is not in Europe... Or maybe yes. I'm a noob, I failed geography.

Note: Wait!... I think I'm a noob but also a genius... I probably realized where is the problem... Maybe... Square Enix also ... Oh, no, I won't say it, I don't want to call them noob too, I'm the only noob here, I don't want it to take offensive because I'm not offending, just saying, respect for everyone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adrian74

EUROPEAN DATA CENTER.... Hello?... It should maybe be in ... EUROPE?... No in Canada... you know... Canada is not in Europe... Or maybe yes. I'm a noob, I failed geography.

---

The problem is usually down to your connection (or at least the connection in your area).

The fault doesn't lie with Square Enix, seeing as many people around the globe have no issues.

There are people in Australia who have no issues with latency.

With our atlantic connection, we have better connections to the NA servers from the EU than most of the North American population does. We're always at around 100m/s, that's about the norm for everyone no matter where you're from. That's good to me, really. There's no need to additional servers in the EU for anything. It's just going to break up friends, and i like playing with americans (sometimes).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shioban

The problem is usually down to your connection (or at least the connection in your area).

The fault doesn't lie with Square Enix, seeing as many people around the globe have no issues.

There are people in Australia who have no issues with latency.

---

This just isn't true, I know people too.. dotted around Europe and the middle east and they have a different story than the one you portray, some people are just lucky and don't experience it for some reason or perhaps don't notice it.

Quote:

---

With our atlantic connection, we have better connections to the NA servers from the EU than most of the North American population does. We're always at around 100m/s, that's about the norm for everyone no matter where you're from. That's good to me, really. There's no need to additional servers in the EU for anything. It's just going to break up friends, and i like playing with americans (sometimes).

---

Nobody is forcing you to break up friends though, if you currently play on Behemoth its not an EU server so it wouldn't effect you.

100ms is not normal, most mmos have connections between 40-60ms with local servers.

Personally I'm not having issues of connection. Basically they are probably organizing it well to reduce the effect of the latency so we don't feel it. but latency there surely is because of the big network cables that are extended from USA to London and then from London to rest of europe...

It is just logic... If they call it Europe datacenter, put it in europe... If not rename it, seriously...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Surian

With our atlantic connection, we have better connections to the NA servers from the EU than most of the North American population does. We're always at around 100m/s, that's about the norm for everyone no matter where you're from. That's good to me, really. There's no need to additional servers in the EU for anything. It's just going to break up friends, and i like playing with americans (sometimes).

---

And why should they leave...? If the Wohle Datacenter would be transfered to Europe your Friends would also be transfered to the DC...

No One would quit just because of this. Besides that... There is a very good Chance that the "New Connection" to Europe would be better than the current One for you and your frinds.

Well.... At least i dort think it would be worse.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adrian74

Personally I'm not having issues of connection. Basically they are probably organizing it well to reduce the effect of the latency so we don't feel it. but latency there surely is because of the big network cables that are extended from USA to London and then from London to rest of europe...

It is just logic... If they call it Europe datacenter, put it in europe... If not rename it, seriously...

---

It's actually the NA/EU data center implying it services both regions, which would imply locating it in eastern NA was probably the best decision from a ping for everyone standpoint. Who knows when new EU servers are added we might see an EU data center be created.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adrian74

Personally I'm not having issues of connection. Basically they are probably organizing it well to reduce the effect of the latency so we don't feel it. but latency there surely is because of the big network cables that are extended from USA to London and then from London to rest of europe...

It is just logic... If they call it Europe datacenter, put it in Europe... If not rename it, seriously...

---

It was labeled as an EU data-center so that European players could play together.

As the game has a heavy focus on Free Companies and Free Company activities (usually static groups).

Players called for an EU label so they could find players in their time-zones to play with, as North American servers would cause time-differentiation or language issues.



For example all the majority of French players go to Moogle (EU), so they have a similar time-zone and language set (regardless of the server location).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

This just isn't true, I know people too.. dotted around Europe and the middle east and they have a different story than the one you portray, some people are just lucky and don't experience it for some reason or perhaps don't notice it.

---

I can assure you that you're not going to get knocked off the edge in Titan HM because you have 100-140ms, you're just not moving out it before the CAST bar finishes (the graphic means nothing compared to the cast bar, as the dev team have stated before). You would not get 40-60ms unless the server as situated within 1,000-2,000 miles or less of you, in this case there would need to be a French/German data-centre and a Middle-Eastern Datacentre.


And I can also assure you, if you're getting hit in Titan HM under the current data-centre, you're still going to get his with this one as it's not an issue with the server, the problem lies yet again most likely in the connection for your AREA.. Hundreds of thousands of people who live further across the world than you do are able to clear Titan HM with 100-200ms, it really isn't that bad in FFXIV.

Not you personally (although it could be), there are just some areas in cities/towns and various countries where the overall connection hops between You > Server > You isn't as fast or stable and therefore latency issues occur, this is not Square Enix fault and they're simply not liable or likely to fix/respond to it.

Any response in the past to a physical EU datacentre has been shot down (as i'll explain below)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Nobody is forcing you to break up friends though, if you currently play on Behemoth its not an EU server so it wouldn't effect you.

---

It's not about "breaking up with friends", that's not the point I'm making. This is an issue of money.

Datacentres are very very VERY expensive to set-up a new data-centre.

Hundreds of thousands for just one or two servers alone, so no it won't affect me but it will affect the game overall.



And as I said before, it's a case of the connection in your area. 100-140 ms for an MMO is perfectly fine, there is nothing in this game that is unplayable until you hit around 300ms+.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ddmk

I'm in England on us server and I rarely lagged before (on ps3)
Now I'm on ps4 I never lag
Maybe it's a problem at your end rather than servers?

---

It is a personal connection issue, either in their own home or the area they live in (but they'll still argue otherwise)

I'm in England on us server and I rarely lagged before (on ps3)
Now I'm on ps4 I never lag
Maybe it's a problem at your end rather than servers?

Everytime someone cries about "wahh 100ms is too much T_______T SE pander to my needs as I can't play on a stable and fast connection." A kitten is stabbed.

Shut up and git gud.

http://i.imgur.com/GjYsdqQ.jpg

i'm at around 100m/s using a VPN without it i would be around 300m/s

I'm 100ms and sometimes spike to 130/150ms. I actually get a better connection to Canada than I do to some US games from the UK. My ISP is Virgin Media (cable). I started doing the hard modes this week and I've noticed something. The servers are much better now with positioning. I like to move out of 'fire' and stop just at the end of it but still out of it. It's neater and helps when you get bosses that spit puddles out this allows less space to be taken up. Anyways, I noticed when I am out of it a bit I still get hit but if I just continue on I don't - even if it looks like I will get hit. Perhaps it's down to server polling and deceleration. I don't know. I did remember that there were posts that jumping and such the server only registers your new position when you land so if you're still jumping it'll still be the original location.#

Just my observations.

I'm at 290-300ms i live in australia but i live with the fact that ill never do titan ex or ifrit ex with out a buy or carry garuda ex is quite an easy fight not much to dodge really i focus on other things but with end game stuff its never going to happen i made my choice to to go the us server but even on the jp server I'm pushing 150-190ms so i live with it but needless to say its quite annoying would be nice if they did focus more on the region instead of just the jp server and us server (be nice if they did dedicate a specific oceanic english speaking server where aussies etc could go theres enough of us) guess they have to have laggy latency affected players who pay there sub living in hope!note before you say it I'm NOT paying for extra stuff just to lower my latency i already pay a sub fee and it seems kinda shitty that SE won't acknowledge or comment on this bullshit but there sweep it under the rug and hope the players that suffer just go away seems to be working for them for now!!

I'd be at around 500ms without a VPN with one im at 250-300ms.

lrn2play.

I just wish it wouldn't so frequently take over half a second to cancel spell cast.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shioban

I can assure you that you're not going to get knocked off the edge in Titan HM because you have 100-140ms, you're just not moving out it before the CAST bar finishes (the graphic means nothing compared to the cast bar, as the dev team have stated before). You would not get 40-60ms unless the server as situated within 1,000-2,000 miles or less of you, in this case there would need to be a French/German data-centre and a Middle-Eastern Datacentre.

---

Then maybe SE shouldn't create new datacenters, but focus on making sure the cast bar and the aoe signals are actualy synchronized? Just a thought, but whatever arguments people throw around, I still don't find it acceptable to be hit by something your screen tells you you dodged.

BTW, while what you say about distance to the servers might be true in many cases, it's not necessary the case. I have 40-60 ms all the way to Montreal from Europe, latency only spikes over 100 ms after hitting the last node.

And if 100-200 ms isn't enough to be hit by stuff while out of it, I'd like to know what is the cause. Because with no packet loss and even when latency is under 200 ms, I've seen stuff happen like in my sig.


EDIT (because for some reason when I edited, my sig doesn't seem to show up any more):
5 seconds video collection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbaqy_rUxys ¤¤ http://youtu.be/PGSnnof--LY?t=4s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/cDdhLy3ZRu4?t=4s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/X8JJ2hwH_fM?t=4m48s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/8mMzkXRERIU?t=3s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/bm_cJxwZRBE?t=2m2s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/sUjwBpOMMNQ?t=3s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/Y42H3RPuZrk?t=5s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/ES2ugI_k6Es?t=1m22s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/zFfu0i89gpI?t=7s ¤¤ http://youtu.be/xqRN--laUiM?t=56s

Can't believe people in here actually don't want EU datacentres, this community is so full of shit at times, this game is never going to move forward as long as there are so many apologists around to defend SE.

For people saying Learn to dodge I have completed Titan ex and have very few issues myself with latency but thats only since I have been using a VPN and I don't think its acceptable to pay extra because SE decided to have its servers half way across the world. (lets not forget that not everyone uses a VPN and it only takes 1 tank/healer to get knocked off the edge and you may as well wipe)

I don't have to do this with any other MMO, hell Rift a fee to play MMO has EU servers, so don't give me that bullshit that it "costs a lot of money". If Trion can do it SE sure as hell can ... they are just too tight and lazy to bother.

Kind of ironic how the thread titled "Is everyone ok that Square Enix is using BAD SERVERS?" was deleted by mods, truth must be too much to bare.

Quote:

---

Can't believe people in here actually don't want EU datacentres, this community is so full of shit at times, this game is never going to move forward as long as there are so many apologists around to defend SE.

For people saying Learn to dodge I have completed Titan ex and have very few issues myself with latency but thats only since I have been using a VPN and I don't think its acceptable to pay extra because SE decided to have its servers half way across the world. (lets not forget that not everyone uses a VPN and it only takes 1 tank/healer to get knocked off the edge and you may as well wipe)

I don't have to do this with any other MMO, hell Rift a fee to play MMO has EU servers, so don't give me that bullshit that it "costs a lot of money". If Trion can do it SE sure as hell can ... they are just too tight and lazy to bother.

---

Your situation actually sounds just like mine.

I'm not sure if the issue with aoe-lag is because of the location of the data-center or what, but it is quite inexcusable.
I personally have to use vpn to be able to do any of the higher level content. Titan HM without vpn? - Can't dodge anything = wipe, Garuda Ex. without vpn? - Run to the bubble but never get the buff = wipe, not to mention stuff like esuna can be cast while running.. With vpn no problem though, cleared all ex. primals other than moggle mog (which I haven't tried yet) too, for those about to say I just suck and need to learn to dodge.
And to those who think it's unreasonable to point finger on SE for these issues, I think it's even more unreasonable to point the finger at the gamers and their connections. Personally I have a 100mbps connection, and no problems with other games whatsoever. Make what you want of it, but i think it should be good enough.