2.25 the big PVP patch

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Yoshi-P say 2.25 was going to be a big pvp patch? All it included was 10 new ranks and new gear? My god I think my disappoint level may have reached an all new high.

Remember when Yoshi was laughing at Ballista?

It's a minor patch that was suppose to be mostly about the wolf den ( ranking system, pvp gear and rank ), there was a little mistranslation for the Q&A of the LL which made people believe it was a major pvp patch while it was a minor patch but mostly for pvp ( believing it was a major patch while 2.2X patches are all minor patches was a big mistake).

I still don't understand how people can be dissapointed about this minipatches. They are bugfixes with a few little bonus thingys.
The Content Patches are the full numbers. 2.1 2.2 2.3

It's mainly because PvP is in a fundamentally broken state and instead of addressing the sheer brokenness of the system, they've just added more gear. (which actually makes the system even MORE broken).

It's sort of like if T6-T9 were completely broken and not fun and nobody wanted to do them, so SE said they'd fix it! Come patch day, they just add a T10 and call it a day, without addressing any of the problems inbetween. It's basically the knowledge that PvP will be completely doomed for at least another two months.

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

It's mainly because PvP is in a fundamentally broken state

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I'm sorry, but in terms of a .05 patch it really doesn't matter about anything. .05's are small patches. Anyone expecting anything more has a distinct inability to A) Listen to what Yoshi's said all along about the way updates will be handled, and B) pay attention to the obvious patching patterns we've already seen. Regardless of the state of PvP expecting a big patch here was unprecedented.

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A: We'll be implementing a system that makes it less likely for players with lower PvP ranks to get matched with people with higher PvP ranks. Also, because you can obtain all PvP-specific gear after reaching rank 30 and become extremely powerful very quickly, we'll be making adjustments to the timing of rewards to make the upgrade process more gradual. We are also planning for a large update to the Wolves' Den in patch 2.25, at which time we'll raise the maximum PvP rank to 40 and implement the new PvP-specific equipment that I've shown off previously. We're calling this the “Animal Series,” so if you are into PvP, be sure to get this equipment and try it out with glamours.

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Quoted from the relevant Live Letter (XIII Q&A) on this forum.

They explicitly state that 2.25 will include a "large update to the Wolves' Den".

It does break the paradigm somewhat, but that is why people were expecting far more. They explicitly stated that it would be large in magnitude and, combined with the obvious issues from anyone who has attempted to queue PvP in the last month+, people were hoping for a rejuvenation. A PvP Reborn... as right now, it is certainly going the direction of A Realm Reborn's predecessor.

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it is certainly going the direction of A Realm Reborn's predecessor.

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I can't even quantify how much if an exaggeration that is. They have one feature that needs improvement so this game is becoming as bad as 1.0? Ridiculous hyperbole.

In so much that barely anybody is playing PvP which causes queue times to stagnate, which causes less people to play PvP, causing queue times to stagnate even more... yes. PvP is nearly dead in the most literal sense.

I don't usually expect big things out of a .5 patch, but as Raenryong stated above they did call this a large pvp patch. All I'm saying is that if they call 10 new ranks and new gear a large pvp patch, then I fear pvp won't be making a recovery anytime soon. That's a shame because when PVP is done right, it can really add a lot to a game and ARR is really begging for some new/different content.

personally i this its kinda a stupid patch really wow 12k wolf marks for a piece of vanity gear because lets be honest the gear looks great but who plays enough of pvp in its current state to warrant the actual use of the pvp gear.. and don't get me started on the materia trans whatever is fucking useless cause I'm going to give the goblin 5 pieces of crappy wind materia to get the random chance of getting 1 piece of crappy water materia yeah thats a great system!!not to mention its grade related so you give 5 grade 1 you get 1 grade 1 back.. WTF... all in all they could have really just waited and dropped this bullshit in 2.3 with added content of decent pvp arenas and possible grade 5 materia .. would have made more sense to me!!

You guys do realize, that 10 new ranks, is pretty big. It's a big patch for PvP because those new gear is set in preparation for Frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Decrith

You guys do realize, that 10 new ranks, is pretty big. It's a big patch for PvP because those new gear is set in preparation for Frontlines.

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even so why not drop the new gear with the new frontline whatever it is why drop it now and make us grind the 1 arena that clearly most ppl are sick to death of doing for shitty marks and huge wait times to que for !!

Ten new ranks and a new tier of gear is a significant problem when one of the major issues with PvP is the rank/gear discrepancy causing unbalanced, skill-less matches. Not to mention with queue times in their present state, getting to rank 40 is going to be one hell of a crusade - sure new people may try it to strive for the set, but the vast majority are going to quit outright when they just get facerolled by people with better gear (as this patch will bring the r30s back out of the woodwork). And there are a LOT of bad r30s.

I guess when I saw "large" I was expecting changes more around the types of pvp available, larger battles or something along those lines. Even fixes to how broken it is right now would have been nice.

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Originally Posted by Decrith

You guys do realize, that 10 new ranks, is pretty big. It's a big patch for PvP because those new gear is set in preparation for Frontlines.

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10 new ranks I can't achieve because PvP is either dead or unbalanced to new blood. Fixing that imbalance and adding new modes to get more people interested would have been a big patch. This is not a big patch, the fact that you can sum it up in less than a dozen words is proof enough.

Honestly, they should have just held off all the PvP content until Frontlines was ready... Of course, Frontlines will probably require Rank 41 to even enter so that'll probably be dead on arrival too... There honestly isn't even much point preparing anything for Frontlines at this point. If anyone can enter (which is what I'm lead to believe by year old information), then it'll be more accessible than current PvP, but it'll have pretty much the same issues. None of this content is preparing me for Frontlines, because I can't even access PvP as it is now, I wont be getting Rank 10, let alone Rank 40 or any of this gear by the time Frontlines comes around.

Has PVP EXP acquistion been increased in any way? Or perhaps the EXP required per rank? It was already horrendous enough a few ranks before 30, I cannot imagine TEN more that require even more.

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Originally Posted by chrillix

I guess when I saw "large" I was expecting changes more around the types of pvp available, larger battles or something along those lines. Even fixes to how broken it is right now would have been nice.

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That is coming with 2.3