Can't deal with Atma

Sorry SE,

I tried, I have put hours in and no Atma drop. I've even resorted to giving into conspiracy theories about the Japanese Standard Time grind (known as server time +1 to some), still nothing for hours.

I can't see the fun or use in doing fates endlessly, and the part that is most troubling is I'll be right back doing them when I get back to leveling my Bard and my Monk.

No one's holding a gun to my head to do this. Excluding the people who I inevitably have to party with who are going to start saying No Animus, No Soldiery Weap, No Allagan, No EX Levi Weap? Can't play with us, that's who's holding a gun to my head.

Let me go off on the Atma checklist:

Yes I have my Zenith equipped (plural actually as I get bored and switch to other classes with Zenith)

Yes I activated my Zodiac flag via the up in arms quest. (which was bizarre in of itself by the way)

I get gold/silver whatever, gold or silver never matters it doesn't drop.

Also,

I am disgusted by this system as it actually can make low level players have a harder time FATE leveling which also is one of the main methods of leveling certain classes.

These FATES get destroyed, particularly in low level zones and that just seems like a total waste of the system.

Would have been better if you at least made these Atma tie in to the hundreds of mobs out in the open field people (excluding bots) never grind.

Just let it die at the end of forum list....

FATEs aren't the main method for leveling anymore. You are not forced to get a ATMA weapon. I am doing just fine with the i100 Levi wep, and will upgrade to coil wep.

There are always more than 1 option don't pick the one with the biggest time sink, and complain about it.

I said FATES are one of the main sources of leveling.

Also,

Relics are supposed to be a part of your job's unique appearance/style, which is the main staple of Final Fantasy, the Job System. If you can't see why this would put many fans off, you're myopic and just want to grief people to feel better.

You can post a thread on feedback section and state what you want like : "I want to get atma every 5-10 FATEs".

And maybe after you get 12 Atma you want, "I want 150 mythology for each books".

For me, at least the open world more lively rather than see monsters solely everyday.

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Originally Posted by Heavell

You can post a thread on feedback section and state what you want like : "I want to get atma every 5-10 FATEs".

And maybe after you get 12 Atma you want, "I want 150 mythology for each books".

For me, at least the open world more lively rather than see monsters solely everyday.

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I don't mind the book part. It's the complete RNG FATE grind that bugs me, it feels like a hapless time sink. Keep in mind I've been at this for 16 hours total gametime and not a single drop. It doesn't even remotely make sense.

I recall spending less time consistently on Korean grind games to get FRAGMENTS of gear.

Coil is RNG too, but at least I gain some benefit to spamming it other than company seals (which I never need.).

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Also,

Relics are supposed to be a part of your job's unique appearance/style, which is the main staple of Final Fantasy, the Job System. If you can't see why this would put many fans off, you're myopic and just want to grief people to feel better.

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lol so just because I say there are other choices I'm trying to grief people XD.

That is one mature attitude you have there. Anyway all weapons have a unique style since only your class uses those types of weapons >.>

No,

I think you're mature enough to understand that when someone expresses frustration it's rude and likewise immature to try to utilize a condescending approach to dissuade them. This is a point of contention for a lot of people.

Let's just break this down:

Leviathan EX Weapons: Require a coordinated group to farm the Weapons / Mirrors, maybe I'm a casual (whom I'm sure you'll continue to grief to admitting so)

Soldiery Weapons: Require Turn 6 to acquire (See my Levi EX comment above)

Animus: Complete RNG, require complete game time devotion and for a large amount of the player base to no net result.

At Minimum they could at least alter the drop rate to 5, 10 or 15%. But 1 to 2 % is crazy for mere Fragments, pieces of an initial upgrade which doesn't even give any immediate stat change.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Also,

I am disgusted by this system as it actually can make low level players have a harder time FATE leveling which also is one of the main methods of leveling certain classes.

These FATES get destroyed, particularly in low level zones and that just seems like a total waste of the system.

Would have been better if you at least made these Atma tie in to the hundreds of mobs out in the open field people (excluding bots) never grind.

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Seriously? If anything it's been made easier. Before it was hard to do fates with practically no other players to do them with. At least that's true on my server, which is pretty popular.

And even if it did make fates harder for low level players, I think you're highly over-exaggerating when you say it disgusts you lol.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Leviathan EX Weapons: Require a coordinated group to farm the Weapons / Mirrors, maybe I'm a casual (whom I'm sure you'll continue to grief to admitting so)

Soldiery Weapons: Require Turn 6 to acquire (See my Levi EX comment above)

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You say these aren't for you, because you are a casual, don't want a coordinated group, but

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

A challenge would have been to tie Atma into beasts like Titan etc where you had to at least demonstrate a level of skill or coordination to clear

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In another post in a thread regarding the whole atma whining, you say you want atma to involve a group based coordinated challenge.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

I've even resorted to giving into conspiracy theories about the Japanese Standard Time grind (known as server time +1 to some), still nothing for hours.

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I tried that method too without success. I was stuck on this for a long time too, but in the end I got the last 10 atmas within 6 hours, which completely contradicts that time theory. The difference in drop rates is too big to be coincidence though. There has to be some order to it, so that one atma will drop more likely than others. So anyone stuck on this I can only recommend to switch areas frequently, if you have been there for 10 fates without a drop, you're in the wrong area. Keep a list to make sure you don't forgot any area.

im sure im just one of evil lucky people but i really didnt have to put that much work into getting the atmas at all. maybe 12 hours total split up between waiting on DF queues, doing daily quests, and just standing around chatting. i think the longest i spent in one zone was 3 hours in e than, but that was mainly because i was chatting more than chasing FATE. if i went too long in one zone without seeing an atma i would usually move to another. similar to how people play the slots in vegas

it wasnt that bad, grinding out these myths on the other hand.....

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I can understand your frustration, I think this kind of frustration isn't new and is pretty easy to relate to; but without knowing your objective, you do sound a bit contradicting though, with the above list.

If you feel that having a coordinated group to get Leviathan EX weapon or Soldiery weapon is too hardcore, than you don't really need those weapons at the first place, as those weapons are intended for harder contents afterward.

If you don't want to go for the group route (from your post, I'm just going to assume this is the hard route for you), then the option is the "easy" route but a time sinking of RNG. As you bluntly stated that coordinated group is not your thing, then what other things you want to do in the game that this time-sinking is taking away from you?

From your posts, seems like you just want the weapon for having the weapon, in that case, I guess vanity has a price if you don't want to fight for it?

Levi EX weapon is very easy to get...

I share your feelings op. Still grinding on mine having started the day that 2.2 came and some players get theirs right away it seems, not rewarding at all for those of us that put far more hours into oh so boring fates
Also just to add that low lvl fates as blm (without scathe ability) is very much impossible to do against say Bards, so there is the rng and the unfair factor. Luckily i also have a Bard but feel for those
with only a blm class.
At this point i am ready to say the heck with it and just try for Leviathan weapon

You only have to hit one enemy to get a chance for an Atma. Don't tell me you can't get ONE hit in a Fate that has bards on your BLM...

well seeing as the area i have been has been all Bards or summoners, yes i could barely even get 1 hit. Always end up with Silver or bronze and you need Gold for atma to drop
Atma was not well thought out as all i am saying

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Originally Posted by Maero

and you need Gold for atma to drop

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nope. not true

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Sorry SE,

I tried, I have put hours in and no Atma drop. I've even resorted to giving into conspiracy theories about the Japanese Standard Time grind (known as server time +1 to some), still nothing for hours.

I can't see the fun or use in doing fates endlessly, and the part that is most troubling is I'll be right back doing them when I get back to leveling my Bard and my Monk.

No one's holding a gun to my head to do this. Excluding the people who I inevitably have to party with who are going to start saying No Animus, No Soldiery Weap, No Allagan, No EX Levi Weap? Can't play with us, that's who's holding a gun to my head.

Let me go off on the Atma checklist:

Yes I have my Zenith equipped (plural actually as I get bored and switch to other classes with Zenith)

Yes I activated my Zodiac flag via the up in arms quest. (which was bizarre in of itself by the way)

I get gold/silver whatever, gold or silver never matters it doesn't drop.

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Pls look @ this : I got my 1st 12 atmas in 3 days non stop (almost non sleep grind ) i was happy i done so fast .
Now i trying to get second weapon and i got 7 atmas (2 of them same lol , got 1 insta drop while was did fate for fun while runnin to burning wall lol) , but for this 7 i already grindin week+
again non stop (was in Southern Thanalan 10+ h burning fates and nothing)
This is totally lame rng , some dudes (like i was 1st days after update) get 4~5 per day , but some can't get even 1 per week (due weekend play ability only or other things T,T)
All i and other player can recommend now (before future possible nerfs) is Continue farm or try obtain Levi EX weapons and save ur time . Levi Ex route is best aviable atm , atmas i belive will be nerfed in future and books also so....

well thanks for correction if i am wrong but the few atmas i do have always been when i got Gold.
If it is true what you say then the rng is even worst then i imagined

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Originally Posted by Zaels

Levi EX weapon is very easy to get...

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The Levi EX fight might be easy, but it assumes the player has been past the other EX primals - I am currently stuck on Titan. It took me a month to pass hard mode Titan, and I espect EX Titan to be a similar trial. I cannot say whether or not Leviathan EX is easy or not. But I expect that for most players, it won't be easy to get to, and it won't be easy to farm.

As for the Atma grind, I'm only halfway there, but that's ok. It means that I don't have to worry too much about grinding myth yet.