FFXIV=FFXI BETA?

As i played FFXIV today i finally realized what it was about this game that felt so odd. As a veteran FFXI player it feels to me as though this game came out pre FFXI and is what SE used to build FFXI. For example the market wards were not working on their own so they added a search function, which would eventually (in FFXI) turn into an auction house. They started with no chocobos and then added chocobos, they started with a loose job system that allowed you to create your own class which did not work very well so they moved into a rigid job system with standard point allotment. The weapon skills were bland and not exciting so they turned them into something that made you say wow. The zones were few and far between so they created a gigantic world that made you feel like you accomplished something when you move forward. Graphics aside this game seems as though it was the starting basis of FFXI, i'm just not so sure where SE went wrong but it seems like they took one giant leap back in time and are trying to pull themselves out of a hole that just may be too deep at this point.

Please feel free to share your comments do you get the feeling that FFXIV is more like a beta for FFXI?:confused:

It is. If i could say thou, FFXI in some aspect was even worst of ffxiv at launch

Honestly, FFXI, at this moment, is better than FFXIV. But FFXIV has SO much more potential. I mean, look how beautiful FFXIV is. When I think about seeing this world literally come to life beyond any MMO we've ever seen.. This is something that ONLY SE can do. I have NEVER seen a more realistic/beautiful graphics. I will say this. FFXI has much cooler places, but FFXIV has the potential to run circles around those zones if done correctly.

Just think. NPCs interacting with you instead of the other way around, mobs stalking you, or attacking other mobs, or stampedes. I mean, there is so much that's possible with FFXIV. FFXI was all about making our avatar the best that it can be. That was were the entertainment was a lot of the time. FFXIV.. it can be a magical world that we can only dream of living in.

Gosh I'm so dramatic

It's contrary. FFXI is FFXIV beta in a bigger picture.

Many initial functions in FFXIV were actually tested in FFXI first and decided to be included into FFXIV. Some even are improved versions. BLU WS setup is like battle actions system. Merit points become attribution-assign system. Solo-oriented Field Manual or Grounds Tome are implemented as the leve system. Skills were merged into rank points and bound with jobs. Auto-attack was improved to be the current battle system (but now it is somehow changing back).

I will tell you what really happened.

Everyone whined and SE was a push-over and instead of taking ownership of their work and improving it in their own vision, they caved and tried to put a FFXI-Wow bandaid over everything.

Yeah, from what I've heard FFXI was in just as bad of shape as FFXIV is right now when it was released in Japan. Luckily, it didn't launch over here at the same time, so it didn't get as bad of a wrap as FFXIV has right now. Still though, in a year or two, FFXIV will hopefully be great. It's got a lot of potential, just needs the time. :)

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Originally Posted by rynricky

As i played FFXIV today i finally realized what it was about this game that felt so odd. :

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You just realized this now? Its been out for like 7-10 months... Everyone knew this in the first week.

I know your a new player but this is old.... news....

FFXI wasnt published to the US when Japan got it. So the US didnt get the game till Rise of Zilart was out. That means Japan had 1-2 years to work on the game before US & NA got it.

This is why everyone is upset with FFXIV cus they expected it to be better.

Personally I think Square Enix shouldnt have published this globele. They should I of just released this for Japan only for the first year and when westerns got it they wouldnt have felt it was a bad game.

I agree. FFXIV has captured the hearts and souls of millions since FF1.

They will be back. They always come back.

FFXIV has more crap to deal with than FFXI.

FFXI was pretty much a straight everquest clone. FFXIV is wrestling with a conflict of direction. Do they want the class system to be about freedom or rigid? Do they want the economy to be player driven or do they want gear to drop from NMs and have an auction house? Do they want active combat or stat based combat?

They never decided one way or the other so you just got a combination of incompatible ideas, and it's even worse now that Yoshi is on board trying to make this game into Wow-FFXI even though the base doesn't really support that.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

FFXI was pretty much a straight everquest clone.

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How so? Do you mean in terms of grinding?

FFXIV has the potential to be, and may well become the best of all MMOs ... in about 3-5 years.
By that time it won't garner the attention needed to create a huge player base,
but hey, for those of us that do play it,
It'll be awesome.

I've been saying forever FFXIV right now even first year of FFXI, they had a bazaar system and they didn't have an AH, stuff was ridiculous. But its still no excuse for FFXIV having a similar launch if you get what I'm saying.

Was released before it was ready. Putting aside design flaws, from a technical point XIV shouldn't have been released for at least another year while basic features were brought up to speed. Such as mouse + Keyboard + UI + server problems to name a few.

I think the Market Ward system took inspiration from XI's player base that parked their bazaar account out in Battalia Downs (or wherever it was on your server).

They borrowed that idea, and decided to add an official spin. Allow players to station an NPC in an appropriate zone. They probably would have fleshed out the design further, but likely had other priorities and because of the premature launch, tells me they didn't have enough time needed to make the MW system actually work effectively.