Get rid of the heavy effect when getting hit by mobs

It doesn't do anything for the game except being annoying. Either get rid of it and make it convenient to run around or make a more dangerous open world that actually requires attention.

Let me add this note. The only reason I suggest getting rid of it is because Yoshi already decided to make the open world casual. So why not take another step and just get rid of this annoying and pointless debuff.

If Yoshi actually wants to change his mind about the open world then sure, keep it and make mobs more dangerous. But he's not going to.

So how is it going to be dangerous if you remove the Heavy effect? You are seriously contradicting yourself there.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

So how is it going to be dangerous if you remove the Heavy effect? You are seriously contradicting yourself there.

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Please actually take 10 seconds to read my post. There is an "or" in between the two.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

So how is it going to be dangerous if you remove the Heavy effect? You are seriously contradicting yourself there.

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Being "heavy" isn't dangerous. Though I have heard cases of morbid heaviness summoning leviabeetus.




Serious answer? Make stronger open world mobs? Take out heavy, but still allow people to be knocked off Chocobos.

They should remove the heavy effect... and replace it with something worse.

When was the last time you ever got knocked off a chocobo? They should ditch the heavy effect and replace it with an effect that knocks you off, forcing you to either run for it on foot or defeat whichever enemy knocked you off before you can remount.

Traveling is too coddled in this game and needs some sort of hindrance and this should just be the beginning.

Take the beastmen strongholds as an example. These should be the toughest open world areas but it's all zip in sip out on your chocobo with zero fuss. On top of increasing the range enemies will follow you they need to ditch all the automatic doors and force people to dismount, deal with any aggro and open the doors themselves before moving on.

Hell, there should be areas of the game where calling your mount returns a "Your call quietly echoes without a response" message forcing you to walk.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

So how is it going to be dangerous if you remove the Heavy effect? You are seriously contradicting yourself there.

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Being slowed is not dangerous when my autoregen is more than what I'm being hit for. It's more an annoyance than anything. If the mobs hit for a thousand or so damage that's a different story.

I really like PlanckZero's idea. I also agree with the OP. I also really hate the heavy effect. It's pretty pointless.

It's only annoying to me when try to chase a fate down...

It's even more annoying when they refresh heavy only to get leashed back to their spawn. <_<+

When the mob is below your current level I totally agree with it.

When the move is higher then your level I think a heavy adds a sense if risk going threw a area you maybe shouldn't be in.

Let me get this straight... you tresspass in enemy territory and don't like it when they heavy-effect you to make you easier of a target? I think they should just add cannon batteries to the main entrances to the beastmen zones. I promise you will get heavied less frequently. Cannon/artillery batteries that fire when you're in range + organized beastmen parties. You touch one and they all attack. A Tank + 2 DPS + healer + enfeebler.

or just leave it the way it is and give us a item that removes heavy and if there is a item that removes heavy start buying it.

The problem is you get the same effect from heavy whether an enemy is 2 or 20 levels below you. The duration should scale with the level of the mob attacking you, or have less chance of sticking.

Really, I'd like it if SE actually reverted it to how it was in 1.0 where it wasn't actually a heavy effect on the player, but a debuff that affected the mount - it actually made your mount lamed, and hence if you dismounted, the player them-self was not affected by it. But the heavy effect isn't too much of an issue now - usually if I see something aggressive ahead of me I'll just jump off my chocobo and kill it preemptively. ;)

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Really, I'd like it if SE actually reverted it to how it was in 1.0 where it wasn't actually a heavy effect on the player, but a debuff that affected the mount - it actually made your mount lamed, and hence if you dismounted, the player them-self was not affected by it. But the heavy effect isn't too much of an issue now - usually if I see something aggressive ahead of me I'll just jump off my chocobo and kill it preemptively.

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that is what I do I get mad it hit me with heavy and I tear it a new one.

The Heavy effect is there for a reason. Say you were running on foot and someone throws a rubber ball at you, such as at your body (torso). Due to the pain, you are walking slower trying to wear off the pain, but as you keep on truckin', the pain goes away after a few minutes and you can walk away faster. That's essentially what this debuff is like. You get hit while running, and the pain (damage taken) causes you to move slower due to being hit. Obviously your immersion of the game, with not understanding this, is beyond me lol

They had a similar mechanic in WoW called daze that would affect you while on your mount. One of the most annoying skills in the game when you were just running through the open world. Eventually, they got rid of it after people complained about it as it served no purpose other than to delay you from what you were trying to actually accomplish. Look, the mobs can heavy you in this game and they aren't going to kill you. You might lose a quarter of your HP if at that, but it's not serving any other purpose but that of an annoyance. There is no reason at all for every mob to have this ability and, currently, it serves no actual purpose.

It should depend on your level imo. Don't forget that the story sends you through the entire World and when we were below 50 and for the 1st time in a new region, the Heavy effect could be indeed dangerous because you couldn't stand a fight against 4-5 Amalji for example with Heavy on your back. So it made sense to have it but that was once during levelling your 1st character. A long time ago so to say.

Nowadays, the only time I am in the open World is when I harvest, spirit bond or when I am doing beast tribe quests, I am annoyed from the Heavy effect and even the random aggroing enemies. They do not give EXP, do not provide GIL, do not drop anything interesting. It is just getting rid of them in order to continue what you really wanna do. Feels like a mixture of lawnmover and weedkiller lol.

I like how SE handles the enemies aggro. If you are on the mob's level, they will see you and aggro you. If you are far ahead of their level, they just leave you alone. I would like the system to recognize your Item level. If it is above a certain level, mobs just leave you alone unless you start attacking them. For special quests (carry pumpkin or other tribe quests), this behaviour could be reverted to give the specific quests a meaning.

TLDR: mobs leave my pimped out char alone and only attack me when I attack you

After 3 renewed Heavy, it should turn into permanent bind until hit by monsters. But if monsters hit you while you are bound, it will 100% bind renew effect.
You will then fear monsters, even low level one :3

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Originally Posted by Taei

It doesn't do anything for the game except being annoying. Either get rid of it and make it convenient to run around or make a more dangerous open world that actually requires attention.

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Just don't get hit in the back while riding a mount. If you can't, dismount and fight.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

I like how SE handles the enemies aggro. If you are on the mob's level, they will see you and aggro you. If you are far ahead of their level, they just leave you alone. I would like the system to recognize your Item level. If it is above a certain level, mobs just leave you alone unless you start attacking them.

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Oh, i can see it. "Need people for WP speedrun. ilevel 110 required"

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Originally Posted by blowfin

The problem is you get the same effect from heavy whether an enemy is 2 or 20 levels below you. The duration should scale with the level of the mob attacking you, or have less chance of sticking.

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Hmm, no?
An enemy 20 level below you would not attack you before you attack him. You would need to dismount to do it. And you can't mount again until you lost the aggro.

it is better to add effect that player will have a chance to dismount when get hit rather than heavy & re-new heavy before the last effect worn off

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

it is better to add effect that player will have a chance to dismount when get hit rather than heavy & re-new heavy before the last effect worn off

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This i support.
The chance of auto-dismount while getting hit should be higher than it is now.

I...I don't care about the heavy effect because I have a mania (for make it even more interesting and adventuring) when entering in tribal territory.... I play it "assassin"

Ok, I explain it, it is something I developed without even want it because we all know that fighting mobs outside of dungeons is just futile and a time lost, so when doing tribal quests I wanted to avoid fights the more possible... That led me to... be super assassin sneaky, walk in enemy zones without being discovered, take whatever the tribal quests tell me to while being around... It's just funny. Sometimes I can't avoid to laugh at Kobold's faces while I'm gathering worthless ore or soothing the bombs there and they don't even notice I'm there...

So options when you have to cross a 'dangerous' zone are the following:
1- Run with the chocobo (Boring one) and.... :O..... RISK!... Having a heavy status.
2- Kill everything you see, but it is just so pointless... But it is kind of fun, would be even funnier if...
3- Laugh at the enemy trespassing the area without being undetected, is funny too and you avoid the heavy. Also it works for tribal quests! You can't just run with you chocobo in tribals because if a monster attacks you then you can't interact with the quest elements until you kill it.