What is an 'Elitist'

I've seen the word thrown around too many times and different people give different views. So I wanted to know what do you guys view as an elitist?

anyone that says anything mildly negative about me

Anyone that disagrees with an opinion apparently.

someone who believes skill matters and that people should be held accountable for holding the rest of their group back. also someone who values statistical data(parsers) and researches tough boss fights before trying to tackle them with a random group of experienced players who already know the fight.

people who roll on loot for vanity instead of letting noobs have a free ride

Honestly, the word means nothing anymore nowadays. People just throw it around as an insult when they're rustled.

e·lit·ism
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1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.


It means the idea that there is a group of people, an "elite class" that has either the natural aptitude or simply superior training/education, who should be the ones who rule/govern/etc. In MMOs it's used to refer to players who are at the "top" of the game due to either natural skill or practice, telling others what they should do within the game because they have reached the highest tiers of success/ability/whatever themselves. Like all popular terms on the Internet, past a certain point people just start applying it to anything and everything they don't like because it has a negative connotation.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

someone who believes skill matters and that people should be held accountable for holding the rest of their group back. also someone who values statistical data(parsers) and researches tough boss fights before trying to tackle them with a random group of experienced players who already know the fight.

people who roll on loot for vanity instead of letting noobs have a free ride

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Lol you make it sound like wanting to play with good players is a bad thing.

forum users.

Yeah wrong place to ask this, your just gonna get DB's patting themselves on the back saying that they are great.

This is where a lot of the "elitist" hang out anyways.

Watch all the White knights defend Elitist practices.

Elitist is mostly the game Nazi's, who think they are great and they know everything. Lots of them aren't even that good, they just have a narcissistic belief in their own abilities that inflates their ego's.

An elitist is what bad players call players that use their brain/play smart.

Someone who politely tells a new or bad player what they're doing wrong and how to fix it and either get ignored or rudely spoken back to.

I assume it's like just what happened in T4 right now.

"I hope none of you are on my server" says the tank. Players that think they have skills (some do, most just think) and treat others badly?

Nowadays it's used on anyone that wants to play the game skillfully. I.E Special snowflakes, I.E doesn't play for fun, etc.

Honestly the term is kind of used wrong very often but.. to me..

An elitist is someone who believes they are always right. Refuses to listen to advice. Refuses to realize that even though "this is how they have always done it," it is not how everyone else does it. (For example the bomb to kill at Titan EX, I constantly run into groups who have two different ways of "always doing in at the same spot," and then mess it up because they didn't discuss strategy beforehand.)

They believe that no mistakes can be made, and furiously attack people who do mistakes. They refuse to believe lag or latency is real, except if in fact they mess up. THEN it was totally lag. Or their goldfish was on fire. Or it was your fault, not theirs.

They refuse to help or even gently guide new people. They immediately leave dungeons if they find out someone is new. Because they were never new. They were born with the info on how to finish a dungeon hardwired into their brain. Assume everyone should watch videos of a dungeon before they do it. Assume everyone needs to skip cutscenes in the Duty Finder. Assume speedruns. Call everybody noobs and make them feel bad. Then tell them they are sensitive for having feelings. Yet they rage out immediately when someone even suggests they might be mean. Troll everyone. Because trolling is just joking. It can't possibly hurt anyone.

Somehow they think being slightly better at a videogame makes them in any way a more worthy human than anyone else. Very confusing, self-centerd people. In very short i would just make the equation:

Elitists = narcissists. :D

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

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I agree. People who ragequit after one wipe I avoid as that's taking things too serious lol.

Being an Elitist in this game means that you are better at this game than the person who calls you that. So I see it as a compliment whenever I read it in an MMO.

To me though, being an elitist in MMOs is being unable to understand that you were a noob once yourself and can no longer grasp the posibility that others started play this game after you.

IRL I am an elitist by it's true meaning. I think the world shall be ruled by an intellectual elite... But that is another thread in another forum.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Elitists = narcissists. :D

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Pretty much this

Long answer short, to make this entire topic true... Elitest = Lalafell

Elitist at this point is a generic word to be used as an insult.

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Originally Posted by Zhi

anyone that says anything mildly negative about me

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basically this

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

I've seen the word thrown around too many times and different people give different views. So I wanted to know what do you guys view as an elitist?

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An elitist is someone who is above average but not on the top (but they think they are). To make it worst, they use this to look down on newer less experience players, completely forgetting that they once, had to die to a fight many times to get to where they are at. In addition, in comparison to real pro players who don't act like a douche, they pale in comparison but solely believe due to their distorted vision of him/herself they are on equal standing but ha ha... everyone knows you're not buddy. Btw, not to be mistaken with jealous bunch of people who hype themselves up as super good players but for some reason they always get the boot in pugs cause they're not "pulling their weight" and their friends pat them in the back saying don't worry, it's not you, it's everyone else.

e.g
Example for eltism:

elitist range dps dude: dude man the monk is not doing enough DPS, my elite illegal parser is telling me (blm) i'm doing 260 DPS whereas you're only doing 251 DPS. Please kick him, he is not pulling his weight.
reasonable leader dude: ? what are you on about solshan?, this is our first wipe... and -20 dps isn't a huge issue... nothing that is make or break.
elitist range dps dude: No man, he's melee, he should always be doing more dps than me!!!!
reasonable leader dude: well that depends on the fight... also your dps would be aritificially higher because there were a group of adds you could aoe.
elitist range dps dude: screw this, i'm out, see you noobs.
elitist range dps dude leaves the party


For the bunch of hyped up kids example:
Desperate males: omg lily you're such a good healer!! wowwwwww *knees on all fours and prays*
Everyone else: ???? why do those guys keep saying she is good, she is not pulling her weight... keeps running out of mana and consistently overhealing with medica II for no reason... *examines her gear* wow, she has a lot of piety melds too in her i90 gear... fail...I feel sorry for the other healer..

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

e·lit·ism
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noun
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

It means the idea that there is a group of people, an "elite class" that has either the natural aptitude or simply superior training/education, who should be the ones who rule/govern/etc. In MMOs it's used to refer to players who are at the "top" of the game due to either natural skill or practice, telling others what they should do within the game because they have reached the highest tiers of success/ability/whatever themselves. Like all popular terms on the Internet, past a certain point people just start applying it to anything and everything they don't like because it has a negative connotation.

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The real difference comes from the type of person they are. If they feel the need to berate everyone who they feel is below them, and thinks that no one else should be allowed to join at their level, then those are the kinds of "elitist" players that no one likes. But there are players who are really good at the game, and understand/know how things work, and are quite humble about their status. Those are the kinds that people should aspire to be like.

It's not being an elite player that is bad; it's the attitude that some come with. And usually, that comes from those who almost despise players they feel are beneath them. And those are the ones which gave rise to the negative connotation.

A good player (or players), who really can be proud to consider themselves elite, deserves the title and the respect that (should) come with it.

usually a tag in the real world that people give to others at the top of their chosen field, or who are outstanding at what they do

In video games its a title you give yourself, because you have no concept of humility.

There's a difference between being elitist and being just plain better than most of the player base.

Elitists are the ones who think they're better and will do whatever they can to assert this, be it posting parses, speaking condescendingly to others, and refusing to help. :rolleyes:

Skilled players help carry the party by doing their part and offering advice and tips to those that could use it, while not trying to wear the mantle of superiority. :o

Generally speaking, the latter end up having the best performance. ;) At least, I have yet to meet an elitist that support their party as well I can.

As you can see by this thread, 'Elitist' is a word with a negative connotation that can mean very different but related things.

Used 'correctly,' it describes players with little skill, a large ego, and an exclusionary mindset toward other players based on that ego.

Used more commonly it describes anyone who's good at pressing buttons and expects other people to be good at pressing buttons.

Nobody who calls themselves elite based upon motor functions and memory. chimps have those too.

When you know what your doing.

An elitist is the second highest form for gamer there can be. they are right between the people who are so good they write the guides everyone uses, and just good players


the order goes something like this

GODS, ( people who beat content on their own and make youtube guides for all those losers below )
Elitists , (the people who quickly read those guides and beat the content )
Good players, (the people who can dodge who elitists will tolerate carrying though fights )
scrubs, everything else

have a nice day

Anyone who equates higher gear to mean better skill.

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

I've seen the word thrown around too many times and different people give different views. So I wanted to know what do you guys view as an elitist?

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Well if I'm not mistaken the Elitist was a very old wooden ship used by the British Navy in the 16th century.

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Originally Posted by Odett

Someone who politely tells a new or bad player what they're doing wrong and how to fix it and either get ignored or rudely spoken back to.

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This. Basically, if you try to help a PuG, even in the nicest way possible, you become an eltist. The PuG will then proceed to rip your face off and eat you for dinner.

This is why giving a gold metal to everyone in a race and having no winners or competition is a bad thing. People can't handle constructive criticism anymore.

Is it just me or does this seem directed as a flame thread?
Anyways elitist is someone who is "better" than others and usually spends more time in game (which may be why they may be better?).
Usually low patience towards unskilled, usually low error tolerance.
View games as a job, with faster completion being better (which really shouldn't matter, since they are only making time to waste it elsewhere in game; a waste of time is a waste of time).
Well that's my opinion on Elitism :)

In the context of this game and this forum, and "elitist" is - IMHO - anyone who uses the word 'bads' as a noun for players not as good as they are, anyone who talks as if the majority of players have cleared coil and farm EX primals, anyone who uses the acronym 'L2P', and there are probably more ways to illustrate what an elitist is here, but these 3 answers should be enough.

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

I've seen the word thrown around too many times and different people give different views. So I wanted to know what do you guys view as an elitist?

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One who checks people gear and if doesn't meet their standard they leave without giving them a chance.
One who thinks they tanked the whole party to the end.
One who says their dps is the best.
One who says everyone cause them to die except himself but dies first.
One who has to have best gear and gear is everything.

In an mmo community it sometimes but rarely means group that take that stride beyond everyone else, ff 14 example being the people who beat T9 I guess 1st ( or indeed, any1 who has beat it so far, as I'm sure there is no guides ). This would be a positive, complimenting connotation of the word. Nobody else could even begin to claim this elitism really. Elitism should be very very rare, almost non existent. What fraction of ff14 players have beaten T9?

But its most often used as a negative insult to throw at people, most often thrown at people who wish a certain level of play from their party. It's also thrown at people who condone parsers and any1 who is critical of other peoples play. The people who would get offended by being criticised by these people would throw the term "elitist" in an attempt to hurt the ppl offering criticism.

To be honest from years of playing FPS and MMO and other types of online games, they don't help, they think they know it all, they have best gear but die, they pay top gil for help and think they are the best because they bought the best gear, in shooters the same, they think their ratio is so godly they mention it everyday, they tend to rub in their kills in peoples faces and a lot of other stuff here is my ladder.
(Elites) Not helpful think they are good blame everyone they suck.
(hardcore) really good at game helpful gives tips spends time on 1 job moves to the next.
(gamer) almost like the hardcore but a dum down version.
(casual) likes to play the game but takes time enjoys everything.

Apparently I'm not an elitist because I chose a Spell Speed build for my WHM and got yelled at in a DF party that I should have gone with a Det build, how Det is the only logical choice, how Spell Speed exists on gear just so the community has something to ignore, etc.

Gotta love kids these days.

As many have already said.

An "elitist" can be described as someone who is generally better at content than others, but it can also be someone who is good and/or thinks they are because they have more shiney stuff than you do and thus feel they are better.

My personal take on it is this - if someone has to tell you they're better than you. Then they really arent. Either people can see your ability because it's there or it's not and they want to convince you otherwise.

There are no elitists in this game; the word means nothing. The reason people get snippy with each other in PUGs is because PUGs have a high fail rate which leads to frustration and some people don't know how to cope with frustration and take it out on others. Being a jerk and having terrible manners is a completely separate thing from being an elitist.

I'm surprised that my definition of elitist seems different from everyone else's. I thought it was well established that en "Elitist" person is simply someone who is intolerant or discriminant of those who are less skilled, geared, and/or experienced.

For example, people who leave a primal group after a single failed attempt, regardless of the fact that it was a "good" attempt. Or someone who leaves a party because someone with bad gear joins.

Truth be told, I think anyone who goes to party finder and creates a group with an absurd and unnecessarily high item level requirement is elitist. I shall admit tho, I am guilty of a few of these.

Nothing elitist about creating a party finder with an item level. (maybe unless that item level is higher than their own) Party finder exists for the purpose of finding specific types of players to play with. If an i95 wants to use it to find other i95 players, it's working as intended.