ATMA ATMA ATMA

I have farmed on and off with fates since 2.2 and I have ZERO Atmas. In the time I have spent doing this, people who have spent less time have Animus.

This would be tolerable if it was not FATEs as doing FATEs is frustrating. I spend more time getting to FATEs than I do actually doing them and when I get there only to see the FATE just completed as I arrive I get upset as I wasted time. I like to grind but this is not fun.

Change Atmas to something else other than fates or change the requirement to progression instead of RNG, I can't handle both.

inb4 "its not SE's problem that you're picking to do this content"

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lol here everyone is paying. Why should i pay if one of the most important contents is so boring and stupid?
And absolutely no challenging, difficult, and only RNG-based? ^^
Let's talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

inb4 "its not SE's problem that you're picking to do this content"

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It's not SE problem OP is using Allagan Baghnakhs expecting to get Atam's either.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

It's not SE problem OP is using Allagan Baghnakhs expecting to get Atam's either.

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Lol, I hope that wasn't the case.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

It's not SE problem OP is using Allagan Baghnakhs expecting to get Atam's either.

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I farm with Zenith. Don't insult my IQ

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I have farmed on and off with fates since 2.2 and I have ZERO Atmas. In the time I have spent doing this, people who have spent less time have Animus.

This would be tolerable if it was not FATEs as doing FATEs is frustrating. I spend more time getting to FATEs than I do actually doing them and when I get there only to see the FATE just completed as I arrive I get upset as I wasted time. I like to grind but this is not fun.

Change Atmas to something else other than fates or change the requirement to progression instead of RNG, I can't handle both.

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or go farm Leviathan Ex you'll get a weapon a lot quicker :P (What I did anyway as I couldnt' deal with the atma b/s either)

My favorite part of the whole Atma debacle is how there has been precisely zero response from any devs or community reps indicating that any of the complaints are being heard or any changes to the system are being considered. Meanwhile, the single thread about Leviathan mirror drop rates screwing WHMs and PLDs gets a speedy response from Yoshida himself.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

My favorite part of the whole Atma debacle is how there has been precisely zero response from any devs or community reps indicating that any of the complaints are being heard or any changes to the system are being considered. Meanwhile, the single thread about Leviathan mirror drop rates screwing WHMs and PLDs gets a speedy response from Yoshida himself.

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With as much QQ'ing going on, I am sure they will be saying something, but first they need to decide how to address the issue. That requires time, but then the post will also need to be translated, which will take further time, including if things need to be clarified. The mirror issue was probably the easiest/fastest item to address at the time.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

My favorite part of the whole Atma debacle is how there has been precisely zero response from any devs or community reps indicating that any of the complaints are being heard or any changes to the system are being considered. Meanwhile, the single thread about Leviathan mirror drop rates screwing WHMs and PLDs gets a speedy response from Yoshida himself.

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To them it's probably a matter of "Sorry we put RNG in your MMO..." However, Fates were not the place for it, that much I will agree on. The drop rate could use a bit of an increase as well.

♪~At-atma~ atma atatma~ at-at-ma~♪
http://i.imgur.com/uori1dg.jpg

They haven't said anything because there isn't anything wrong currently. The system is fine, get over it. And if you can't get over it, get good, or get gone. No one will miss you leaving over this because you couldn't get good. This has helped to weed out who's good and who's just a bad.

In short, deal with it or leave.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

And if you can't get over it, get good, or get gone. No one will miss you leaving over this because you couldn't get good. This has helped to weed out who's good and who's just a bad.

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Wat. You do realize that it shows no indication of whom is good, or bad. Just because someone got luckier than another with the RNG does not make them a superior, or 'good' player...

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Originally Posted by Insidious

They haven't said anything because there isn't anything wrong currently. The system is fine, get over it. And if you can't get over it, get good, or get gone. No one will miss you leaving over this because you couldn't get good. This has helped to weed out who's good and who's just a bad.

In short, deal with it or leave.

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You are precisely what is wrong with the community in this game.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

You are precisely what is wrong with the community in this game.

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Yeah, couldn't agree more. I agreed with their very first sentence for the most part. No system is perfect. After that my brain began to hurt.

Every crying post you make on these forums about the atma it decreases your percentage of getting said atma by 50%

Ya my ATMA farm went like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lZlQNsbmeE

So I'm just waiting for them to Buff or remove the ATMA drop rate which most likely won't happen until 2.3 or 2.4.

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Originally Posted by Woggers

Every crying post you make on these forums about the atma it decreases your percentage of getting said atma by 50%

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So because I state I have gone 722 FATE without seeing an Atma, I have less chance of getting it? Move along kiddo.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

So I'm just waiting for them to Buff or remove the ATMA drop rate which most likely won't happen until 2.3 or 2.4.

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Pretty sure it's been said it will be in 2.25. I just wonder how many people "demanding a response" understand it's going to be changed at all.

This most certainly does show who is good and who is bad. A good player will put in the time to farm for the atmas while a bad player will come on here complaining about random being random. Look, either you put in the time for a high quality weapon or you quit and go play hello kitty adventure island as that might be more up your alley. Either way, stop complaining as no one cares and, obviously, the devs do not care and believe it is working as intended. I put in the time and got mine and am putting in the time for the books. And you know what, I'll put the time in again for my next class I want an amta on.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

They haven't said anything because there isn't anything wrong currently. The system is fine, get over it. And if you can't get over it, get good, or get gone. No one will miss you leaving over this because you couldn't get good. This has helped to weed out who's good and who's just a bad.

In short, deal with it or leave.

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You heard it here folks. Get good at RNG and don't send the devs feedback or quit FFXIV.

Welp, there goes a good 90% of the community.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

This most certainly does show who is good and who is bad. A good player will put in the time to farm for the atmas while a bad player will come on here complaining about random being random. Look, either you put in the time for a high quality weapon or you quit and go play hello kitty adventure island as that might be more up your alley. Either way, stop complaining as no one cares and, obviously, the devs do not care and believe it is working as intended. I put in the time and got mine and am putting in the time for the books. And you know what, I'll put the time in again for my next class I want an amta on.

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I must be good at FFXIV then as I have put the time in. Oh, but I don't have any Atmas still. Hmm.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

This most certainly does show who is good and who is bad. A good player will put in the time to farm for the atmas while a bad player will come on here complaining about random being random.

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You do realize that the "time to farm" is different for different people, right? You also realize that you are likely talking to people who have already put in more time than you, right?

What exactly then is your excuse for being rude to people who have put in more time and effort than you did and have nothing to show for it? It certainly isn't that you are in a position to judge their dedication, which at this point has surpassed your own effort spent on this part of the quest.

Are you to presume that the rng determined experience of a player determines their skill? Are you presuming to label someone "bad" that has shown greater dedication than was required of you for the same task? Interesting.

Wow, this is an original and refreshing topic. Critique the system yet offer not alternative.

10/10

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Originally Posted by Insidious

I put in the time and got mine and am putting in the time for the books. And you know what, I'll put the time in again for my next class I want an amta on.

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Yes, your level 41 Warrior has put in the time to get its Atma and is now putting time in for its books. Listen, I put in enough time to do an overall grand total of 1,236 FATE, and I only have 6 Atma. Guess I'm not 'good'.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

This most certainly does show who is good and who is bad. A good player will put in the time to farm for the atmas while a bad player will come on here complaining about random being random. Look, either you put in the time for a high quality weapon or you quit and go play hello kitty adventure island as that might be more up your alley. Either way, stop complaining as no one cares and, obviously, the devs do not care and believe it is working as intended. I put in the time and got mine and am putting in the time for the books. And you know what, I'll put the time in again for my next class I want an amta on.

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When I assumed that you were indicating that "good" players would just farm Twin and LeviEX or just continue running 2nd Coil my issue was with your attitude. But now you're actually conflating luck and skill and it's making my head hurt because there is no way someone can be "good" at luck.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

This most certainly does show who is good and who is bad. A good player will put in the time to farm for the atmas while a bad player will come on here complaining about random being random. Look, either you put in the time for a high quality weapon or you quit and go play hello kitty adventure island as that might be more up your alley. Either way, stop complaining as no one cares and, obviously, the devs do not care and believe it is working as intended. I put in the time and got mine and am putting in the time for the books. And you know what, I'll put the time in again for my next class I want an amta on.

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"Good" and "bad" are subject to opinion. It's all about the perspective. Players of all kinds have, continue to and will farm Atmas. All of that said, some people like it and some don't. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, as are you. Whether I agree with you or not is a different story and I don't really know where I could begin...

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Wow, this is an original and refreshing topic. Critique the system yet offer not alternative.

10/10

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I did actually.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Change Atmas to something else other than fates or change the requirement to progression instead of RNG, I can't handle both.

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But the main point of this thread is to offer feedback that it is not fun.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

It would have been fine if it was 50-100 FATE per Zone, then people would know they are making progress. Versus an abysmal amount for a single FATE... Still would suck being FATE, but at least it would progress.

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This would be a very refreshing and welcome change.

It would have been fine if it was 50-100 FATE per Zone, then people would know they are making progress. Versus an abysmal amount for a single FATE... Still would suck being FATE, but at least it would progress.

Well, you can all rest assured - there was once some game out there somewhere which was much worse. That should make you feel better about this whole thing!

After all - no matter how terrible things get, you should always just take what is given to you and keep quiet... because it can always be worse. Right?

/sarcasm

Here is what I think is wrong with the ATMA system: ( Cause/Solution)

Problem: FATE's are attached to them, FATEs are okay for certain things, End game related things are not.
Solution: Use a long quest for EACH ATMA ( You can use the same NPC if you want to. After the quest is done go back the NPC show him the ATMA you got, and then you keep it as a quest reward. ( So 12 quests, complete them all to receive the Atma Weapon.

The second portion of the Zodiac Quest is fine as you always know you are "progressing" for every objective you do.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Yes, your level 41 Warrior has put in the time to get its Atma and is now putting time in for its books. Listen, I put in enough time to do an overall grand total of 1,236 FATE, and I only have 6 Atma. Guess I'm not 'good'.

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Because I only have this one character right? It took me < 4-500 fates and ~12 hours total to get all the atmas over the course of 5 days. You are obviously doing something wrong. Know what the first thing you're doing wrong is? Complaining about it on the forums instead of being in game actively attempting to get the atma.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Well, you can all rest assured - there was once some game out there somewhere which was much worse. That should make you feel better about this whole thing!

After all - no matter how terrible things get, you should always just take what is given to you and keep quiet... because it can always be worse. Right?

/sarcasm

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On a serious note about this, games like WKC2 had some terribad RNG... But I pushed through that. Why? Cause it was actually fun. But hey, fun doesn't matter in vidyuh games!

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Originally Posted by Insidious

Because I only have this one character right? It took me < 4-500 fates and ~12 hours total to get all the atmas over the course of 5 days. You are obviously doing something wrong. Know what the first thing you're doing wrong is? Complaining about it on the forums instead of being in game actively attempting to get the atma.

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Seems you are too afraid to post on your main character, and I am not doing anything wrong. But hey, having bad luck with the RNG is doing something wrong guys!

I mean I honestly didn't mind it being an RNG grind I think in total I did around 700 FATEs so I had pretty good luck. I can understand why some might want it to be shifted over to a linear progression and I certainly agree that having it be FATEs is just really lame. Though I kind of like to see sort of insurmountably difficult content. I think making it part of the relic line freaked people out a bit but given that there's a planned nerf in 2.25 I don't know what's the problem in just waiting for that rather than expending all this energy dually farming about it and arguing on the forums.

As far as the person saying the only real solution is to put in more hours ... well they're not wrong. Though I don't see why you're engaging in a back and forth with them.

You have to factor in things like the server you are on as well. My server is pretty high pop when people were doing fates they were dying really fast. That was a lot more chances per hour for atma due to the number of fates getting beaten. If you are on a lower pop server they may take a lot longer to kill and thus less chances at atmas.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Seems you are too afraid to post on your main character, and I am not doing anything wrong. But hey, having bad luck with the RNG is doing something wrong guys!

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He/She is just trolling now =P

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Originally Posted by Insidious

Because I only have this one character right? It took me < 4-500 fates and ~12 hours total to get all the atmas over the course of 5 days. You are obviously doing something wrong. Know what the first thing you're doing wrong is? Complaining about it on the forums instead of being in game actively attempting to get the atma.

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I would like to know your secret. I only have 2 atm :( lol

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

He/She is just trolling now =P

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It's not trolling when you act like an incompetent elitist tween ;)

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Seems you are too afraid to post on your main character, and I am not doing anything wrong. But hey, having bad luck with the RNG is doing something wrong guys!

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Yup too afraid too post on my other characters. Nailed it. This is nothing about luck. You put in the time to get the item. If it doesn't drop in one zone in 30 minutes, switch and you should get one within 10. Do the time or stop complaining as there is nothing wrong with the system currently. I just really don't know what to tell you at this point that you won't nitpick and try to find a flaw where none exists.