Why not Have Echo Give Speed Buff?

I notice a lot of times in Titan it doesn't matter how high the echo buff gets, people still get hit by plumes and landslides. Wouldn't it be a greaat idea to add an effect to the echo that gives a small increase to run speed, maybe something like 15-20%, not enough that you're persistently sprinting, but enough to make a difference in groups with slower reaction time.

I commented before that an increase in readying time for enemy abilities would be about the only thing that helps for something like Titan EX, but this pretty much accomplishes the same sort of thing without potentially ruining certain mechanics and actually potentially making the fight HARDER in some ways, so yeah, I approve.

or... if the echo buff stacks up to 10, Titan dies instantly and drops his loot. spend an hour wiping and you win. would that make it easier for you?

Why not just ask them to completely remove the Titan content for you to progress?

Too much spoonfeeding in this community. Learn the fight, and get over with it.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Why not just ask them to completely remove the Titan content for you to progress?

Too much spoonfeeding in this community. Learn the fight, and get over with it.

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I agree, Titan is supposed to be Hard hence the (hard) part at the end of the title.

The fight is simple once you get the hang of it for those who are lagging invest in a graphics gtx 650 and up or buy a ps4 get off ps3 trust me.

At least monks can fists of wind and still have a damage buff to replace FoF.

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Originally Posted by KyrsIsley

or... if the echo buff stacks up to 10, Titan dies instantly and drops his loot. spend an hour wiping and you win. would that make it easier for you?

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Nah, still requires too much effort.

Clicking on Titan (Hard) in the Duty Finder should just instantly give you the loot/Relic item. No need to waste time finding a group and waiting for the loading screen.

Bards: Can't sprint, but are mobile enough as-is. No excuse to get hit.
Black Mage: Can sprint. No excuse to get hit.
Summoner: Can sprint. No excuse to get hit.
Monk: If max damage, they might get hit. If Fists of Wind, no excuse to get hit.
Dragoon: Erm.. We can elusive jump. <3 And we're the most amazing deeps in the game, so we have no excuse to get hit. :> /nobias.
Healers: Can sprint. Tunnel vision is their only real reason to get hit,
Tanks: <.< Go make a sandwhich or something

Why dont ppl who still cant beat titan with echo complain to SE to implement a trampoline enclosure around the arena that gets smaller with the arena. Practice it and learn to read the fight and it becomes routine, theres only so much they can do to make things easier without hanging titan up and asking 8 ppl to bust him like a pinata.

Terrible idea. I'm highly against this kind of spoonfeeding.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Tanks: <.< Go make a sandwich or something

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I made a whole platter of sandwiches...would you like one?

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Originally Posted by Teppie

I notice a lot of times in Titan it doesn't matter how high the echo buff gets, people still get hit by plumes and landslides. Wouldn't it be a greaat idea to add an effect to the echo that gives a small increase to run speed, maybe something like 15-20%, not enough that you're persistently sprinting, but enough to make a difference in groups with slower reaction time.

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This isn't going to help imo. People with high latency might brag that they can dodge titan and win it consistently just fine and then come to the forums telling people having trouble to git gud but that's not actually the problem. It's unstable latency. If in your play experience you've seen your damage from scrolling combat text not be consistent with your attack animation or the combo glow not blink up consistently along the gcd clock, you're eligible for the "omg i was out of landslide/plumes" club.

The game will let you move anyway you want and play out any skill animation you pressed for, giving you the illusion you're not lagging slightly behind everyone else and the server, but it means nothing when the server doesn't confirm it. You can ping sub 100 to the servers but if your isp, square's server, square's provider likes to regularly drop your packets like it's hot (only when you're not personally checking them), sooner or later you'll die to a landslide/plumes. I've partied with a lot of people for titan ex and ALOT of them seem like they'd need a vpn but not realize it. This is coming from someone who had major latency issues during the titan hm days and have largely fixed it since, with a vpn.

I've just won it for the first time not one hour ago but I feel empty. I don't think I will ever be able to join the side of players who belittle other players who can't get past this latency dice roll trial. My 3 week df/pf titan ex marathon hurts me deep into my core. If right now I'm told that yoship is in serious trouble and only me pressing a button would save him, I'd just laugh, do a 360 and moonwalk away.

Regardless of Echo giving Speed Buff, some people will still get hit with stuff and its not your fault.
The whole "Learn the fight" does not work when its other's who are failing.
What I recommend is to try to run it with a FC with experience, duty finder is not very reliable.
Or look through, or start a party in your servers Party Finder, some people would be more than glad to help.

I like echo buff it give pple who not so uber like most pple who reply here a chance to enjoy what we considered old content that most of us not even doing it anymore.You pple need to realize not everyone so darn good at this game instead acting all mighty you should be happy for them.

It doesn't sound like a very bad idea to me. Maybe not a 15-20% increase though. Perhaps 5%. I don't think it'd be something that guarantees a win. Hell, the last time I had Titan HM in duty finder for trial roulette, 50% Echo couldn't guarantee it.

Still, the hard mode fight absolutely isn't insurmountable without any Echo at all. It is literally just memorization, and after a while your only problems should be the occasional mistake that might happen due to lag or some other unfortunate circumstance or the other people in your party. Extreme is about the same way, but its biggest problem is that any amount of lag is insta-death and a probable wipe.

I think they should just fill the pit around him with high allagan, animus relics and an endless amount of gil. Rather than make the fight easier, make it rewarding to get thrown off.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

I made a whole platter of sandwiches...would you like one?

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I love you so much. Marry me please? And yes. Sandwhich! <3

My char is too slow, I need this buff!

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I agree, Titan is supposed to be Hard hence the (hard) part at the end of the title.

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Explain Whorleater, Brayflox, etc. then, which are certainly not hard by any means of the word.

You know maybe I should've prefaced with the fact that I'm not personally complaining that I can't progress, I've never had issues with titan or really any end game stuff I've so far hit. Yet, I consistently see others that do, with the echo buff people can still get carried through, and that's fine, but there are people who are genuinely trying to not be carried, another corpse in the pit, yet due to lack of reflexes, or a bad connection they simply can't keep up but they still deserve to enjoy the content just the same as anyone else. I figured that since the HM's and EX's are basically "farm content" now at this point, and getting nerfed for the casual, slower adopters anyways, that it really couldn't hurt to give an extra boost to speed so those "I could've sworn I was out" people turn into "I just barely made it out in time" crowd.

It wouldn't really hurt the people who are inherently good at this content, since there's more challenging stuff to focus on anyways, and it would make those who have been having issues this entire time (from either their fault or others) get a win. I mean you really can't deny that a 50 and 25% boost to attributes isn't already spoonfeeding enough, but while it's in the right direction, it isn't exactly what a lot of groups need. Sometimes I see perfectly fine groups in regards to healing, tanking and DPS, just completely incapable of dodging a plume or landslide. That's where the real problem is, dodging.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Explain Whorleater, Brayflox, etc. then, which are certainly not hard by any means of the word.

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Have yourself and an entire party downgrade to nothing but Darklight and do all 3 dungeons. You'll start seeing where the Hard part comes in. Because for a i70, it's most likely difficult. i90? Please, it's a walk through the park for us.

Honestly, I think the boon of the echo buff on titan is that you can get through the easy pre-heart phase very quickly and get to the "real" fight.

It wouldn't suck so bad if we didn't have to get through Titan to do the rest of the extremes that are apparently much more forgiving. None of us in our FC ever want to go back and do Titan EX ever again once we get the last few people through, which is kind of a very bad thing since most of the community is probably in the same boat now that the primal weapons aren't top tier anymore. Ifrit is a lot simpler to learn and is actually a lot of fun, it's bizarre.

Hopefully they get rid of him as a requirement for the stuff afterwards.

Instead to give a speed buff to the echo buff, why not a haste potion that give you a speed buff for 3 sec?

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Why not just ask them to completely remove the Titan content for you to progress?

Too much spoonfeeding in this community. Learn the fight, and get over with it.

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I completely agree with this!
The community has made this game too easy and I'm getting kinda bored cause SE are nerfing all the challenging parts (Sure there's coil, but I don't like playing that serious)
Pharos Sirius for instance was the most fun dungeon I've played. Like the only 4man 50 dungeon I've wiped 3-4 times on the same boss.
Then they nerfed it.
And they made all the primals easier and now there isn't anything challenging for a casual player.

I can't wait til some game company releases a reallyy hard mmo, then I'll quit my job and play it forever

So if you haven't beat Titan EX for example, that makes you a bad player ?

I haven't beat it yet, it haven't been my priority as of now, but I have still tried a lot of times.

If I had only said that, you would assume I suck at dodging or something, but I can't actually remember the last time I was hit by any Aoe by Titan.... I play a DRG who can't use sprint and the fight is a walk in the park for the most parts.

So why haven't I beaten it ? Because this is a multiplayer game.... I have lost count on how many times I've been the only person alive together with the MT.

Sure the damage increase of Echo makes it much better since you get past heart stage much faster and with less casualties, but after that it's chaos most of the time and you wipe seconds later -_-

I'm not saying we should get a movement buff, I'm just pointing out that you can't just look down on everyone that can't make a group from his/hers FC or something.

The problem is that if you have 7 out of 8 elite players in your group, and one bad one. The one bad player could very well make it impossible to complete. Now if this was the case, you would just replace him and hope for someone that can at least dodge, but how often do you find 7 good players in Titan EX ? I never do at least....

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

I think they should just fill the pit around him with high allagan, animus relics and an endless amount of gil. Rather than make the fight easier, make it rewarding to get thrown off.

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It's a pretty good idea but I can see people complaining that Titan keep screwing them by throwing them into Allagan gears they don't want, damn those RNG, I spent 30hours being thrown out into Bard equipments, it's all SE fault.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Instead to give a speed buff to the echo buff, why not a haste potion that give you a speed buff for 3 sec?

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id say if they made a potion for a sprint like effect should at least be half of or at least the same duration as sprint! personally i think pots in this game are next to useless besides the occasional str/int potions for raid content

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Originally Posted by StudReaver

Why dont ppl who still cant beat titan with echo complain to SE to implement a trampoline enclosure around the arena that gets smaller with the arena. Practice it and learn to read the fight and it becomes routine, theres only so much they can do to make things easier without hanging titan up and asking 8 ppl to bust him like a pinata.

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I would LOVE to practice Titan Ex, too bad that requires the other seven people to continue practicing with you, rather than leaving and giving up after a few tries. Titan is hard because it requires a lot of attempts even if your skilled at it. And the reason why Titan EX is so hard is because the weakest link is literally just one of eight individuals. And when that link breaks the fight is over.

It took me god knows how long to beat Titan Ex. Feels like hundred of attempts. And once I beat it I went on to Ifrit EX and beat it with the first group I tried it with.

As far as Titan goes, yea a movement boost would make more sense than a stat boost.

I miss the days when only the top players achieved the top level completions. It gave you something to strive for. Learning your class and the fight mechanics is so much more fun than a gearcheck fight. If the fight is already completable with current mechanics, why change it?

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Originally Posted by Tygg

I miss the days when only the top players achieved the top level completions. It gave you something to strive for. Learning your class and the fight mechanics is so much more fun than a gearcheck fight. If the fight is already completable with current mechanics, why change it?

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Those days are gone, there are more casual gamers out there than ever and SE obviously want to appeal to them as much as possible.

I have an idea... let's just have 25% echo grant a permanent Tempered Will effect!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDg44MVJLrw

Please let me be the DRG in this fight, thx

As more people use trial roulette I suspect Titan clears will become more prevalent for those that have been having trouble getting good groups. I had it pop the other day in roulette and it ended up being tank, whm, me and one other DPS alive w/ ~20% to go, and we still got the win. More experienced players will be matched with less experienced and will make this seem like less of a wall.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

As more people use trial roulette I suspect Titan clears will become more prevalent for those that have been having trouble getting good groups. I had it pop the other day in roulette and it ended up being tank, whm, me and one other DPS alive w/ ~20% to go, and we still got the win. More experienced players will be matched with less experienced and will make this seem like less of a wall.

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Acutally.. personal experience yes. Done daily trial roulettes which gave 9 out of 10 titan HM, and there's always DPS who drops down, healers who die and the other healer to solo heal and what not and tbh all are one-shot despite all these.

Does the Hates and Slow spell exist in this game for players to cast on mobs?

Also are there mobs that are weak against Fire or Wind in this game? lol

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

Also are there mobs that are weak against Fire or Wind in this game? lol

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no, they got rid of the element wheel because in 1.0 people did all blm parties.

Speed buff? What's next? Superman powers?

I'm still playing on PS3 and can clear Titan all 3 modes no problem.

Advice? Stop play bad.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

no, they got rid of the element wheel because in 1.0 people did all blm parties.

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That really sucks lool. Makes me wounder what will be the point of Shiva Egi and Levi Egi if mobs ant weakened by those elements. lol