Whats up with Stoneskin?

I'm a rank 17 archer and a rank 8 conjurer and i use some conjurer spells on my archer. but when i use stone skin it says 4 minutes, so when i get into a battle all of the sudden it's gone.. Shock spikes stays until the time runs out.. am i missing something?

Stoneskin only absorbs a certain amount of damage. After all of that damage is absorbed—it's gone.

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

Stoneskin only absorbs a certain amount of damage. After all of that damage is absorbed—it's gone.

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Oh well it doesn't absorb very much. It absorbs like the first hit and then it's gone

Won't absorb much because you are using it on another job than conjurer. The spell is less effective.

Any math on how much it absorbs, per rank, per class, per stat, etc?

almost nothing. most the skills arnt worth useing as a sub
outside of cure and protect as far as the casting jobs go.
its not as bad with DOW classes. However its enuff to question
being able to use any abilities on any class.
needs tweeked imo or better gear to help sub skills.

The effectiveness of cross-class skills is determined by affinity. Stoneskin on an Archer is terrible mainly because Archer is a Discipline of War, but Conjurer is a Discipline of Magic. It works better on Thaumaturge. Every class has a skill you can purchase at R36 from the guild that improves this affinity slightly.

The amount of damage it can absorb is probably also impacted by your MND when you cast it.

I'm very confused about the stoneskin spell. Information is distorted on many websites, and no one can give a straight answer. Please don't guess, I'm able to guess on my own. I'm curious to know for certain.

What affects stoneskin? Is there a stat that increases the amount it absorbs? Is there an element that increases the amount it absorbs?

What about shock spikes? Is there a stat that increases the damage it deals? Is there an element that increases the damage it deals?

Help!

If the help you seek is a detailed, empirical formula with no chance of error then no one can help you, unfortunately. That is because know one knows 100% for certain the formula involved.

I'm kinda shocked at peoples insistence on using caster ability and/or spells along with a melee class, yes I know you CAN but why so insistent? You could sub whm or rdm on a melee in XI but nobody did since it was worthless outside of very few specific HNM fights.

Stop expecting the best of both worlds and you'll understand the system much better.

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Originally Posted by Chain

I'm kinda shocked at peoples insistence on using caster ability and/or spells along with a melee class, yes I know you CAN but why so insistent? You could sub whm or rdm on a melee in XI but nobody did since it was worthless outside of very few specific HNM fights.

Stop expecting the best of both worlds and you'll understand the system much better.

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Maybe he would like to solo without resting much... Who are you to dictate how he plays. The whole point of the cross class system is to do just that, mix abilities/spells. This is not 11 so why even bother bringing it up. Clearly he is new and just asking for some help.

To the Original Poster.. Stats and attributes are a little messed up since alpha. So please wait for 1.19. The devs said they are fixing it and it will be out in 1.19 where you can see what your attributes effects. You also got to remember this is SE we are talking about. A lot of things in the game are still vague. Also the game is still in Beta stage even after release so many things needs adjustments.

As for what you should equip at low level. A healing spell of some form, shocks, all the dps boosts that you can get on your bar. Also pro shell if you are soloing and going for harder mobs.

A little off topic from OP, but since the conversation has turned to cross-class abilities I'll share my observations. There are 4 factors involved in spell casting you need to consider; Cast time, recast time, spell duration and spell effectiveness. In regards to the first three the formula is simple, without affinity you receive a 20% penalty, with affinity you receive only a 10% penalty. For example, Emulate has a 1 minute recast timer, and effect duration of 30 seconds. Without affinity on another class this becomes 72 seconds and 24 seconds respectively, with, 66 seconds and 27 seconds respectively. -n regards to spell effectiveness there are an additional 2 factors that can effect this penalty on top of the base 20%/10% penalty. For all spells, you have to meet the recommended rank as listed in the spell description, and with some spells your attributes play a role in effectiveness ;as well (think cure where both mind and magic potency effect the level of HP recovered.)Spells not effected by attributes like siphon TP will follow the 20%/10% penalty as long as you meet the minimum rank requirement. All of this is regardless of whether you are playing as a discipline of war or magic. With weaponskills you also need to factor in damage type of the weapon being used, ie skull sunder is a slashing attack so it won't be as effective with a piercing or blunt weapon.

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Originally Posted by Chain

I'm kinda shocked at peoples insistence on using caster ability and/or spells along with a melee class, yes I know you CAN but why so insistent? You could sub whm or rdm on a melee in XI but nobody did since it was worthless outside of very few specific HNM fights.

Stop expecting the best of both worlds and you'll understand the system much better.

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People use Cure, and buff spells on melee jobs to help with SURVIVABILITY during leves and when soloing. It's all a matter of how well do you think you can survive with just your basic abilities of the job. And this is also where the recent increase in MP cost of Cure has screwed DoW people over. They run out of MP much faster, and get less benefit of using Cure than they did before 1.18, meaning they are more likely to be killed, which wears out their gear faster, making it even harder to survive a fight.

While that's true, Namynyor, DoW also have other ways of recovering HP: Second Wind, Bloodbath, Aegis Boon, etc. Those ways are not dependent on MP, and thus are probably more suitable for DoW. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking that the only way to recover HP is to cast Cure.

And if you die enough that your gear wears out -- which happens sometimes -- you don't have to fight in damaged gear. Just repair it or get it repaired. Just takes a couple seconds to switch to a crafting class and repair an item. And since repairs are 100% effective if you're at a high enough level to try it, you don't even need to switch into crafting gear to do it. Just equip the tool, repair item, and voila! Back to fighting at 100%. :)

Piety stat helps.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Spells not effected by attributes like siphon TP will follow the 20%/10% penalty as long as you meet the minimum rank requirement. All of this is regardless of whether you are playing as a discipline of war or magic. .

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Not to get of topic, but for the sake of accuracy, siphon TP is effected by a stat. Piety modifies the amount of TP, Magic points, and hit points(drain) taken from the target, with siphon TP, siphon MP, and drain, respectiely.