Titan Ex Gaol Theory

In my experiences I've noticed the gaol mechanic traps (obviously) one healer and one DPS...and oddly enough, as far as I can tell, it's the DPS with the least amount of TP/MP (proportion wise).

I can't confirm this, obviously, but I've noticed when a character is KOd, they always get gaoled upon being raised, where they have low TP. When I see monks going all out with the GL3 they tend to get stuck in gaol, etc.

Anyone wanna try confirming this? Not that it would change any strategy, but just to know more or less what's going on. Maybe it's even the same mana wise with the healers? Who knows :P

I always felt like it picks the top enmity amongst healers and the top enmity amongst DPS. I only say this because I see WHM and Melees get goaled more than any other jobs.

This makes sense, very much so, except I'm not sure why then it would target a recently KOd character...however a monk that's blazing through their TP likely means they have dished out tons of DPS, getting top aggro. Just not sure why then it would gaol a recently KOd character.

If my theory is true, it would be a forgiving mechanic, which quite a lot of fights actually do have. Give a character a chance to catch up on TP/Mana. It hardly makes a difference but I'm almost positive there is something behind who he chooses for gaol.

Before anyone says it's just random, I highly acknowledge that's a probability; I'm just stating that in my experience I have seen a pattern eery time and I have cleared him a few times...and attempted him many more.

It certainly isn't top enmity of the DPS since I've been gaoled so many times in a fight that there is no way I was matching the rest of the DD. I can't say for certain since I can't see others' TP, but when you get gaoled multiple times in a fight, your tp (as a Dragoon) is going to be very high and yet, from personal experience, continue to get gaoled. It might have something to do with who has done the most damage/healing in between gaols though. This is just a random guess and assuming there is any rhyme or reason to it.

Edit: Thinking about it more, it would make sense because there has to be some way for the servers to pick one healer and one DD every time. I don't think they've ever done a fight where someone is targeted specifically because of the job they are, but rather because of the actions they have done in the encounter.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

It certainly isn't top enmity of the DPS since I've been gaoled so many times in a fight that there is no way I was matching the rest of the DD. I can't say for certain since I can't see others' TP, but when you get gaoled multiple times in a fight, your tp (as a Dragoon) is going to be very high and yet, from personal experience, continue to get gaoled. It might have something to do with who has done the most damage/healing in between gaols though. This is just a random guess and assuming there is any rhyme or reason to it.

Edit: Thinking about it more, it would make sense because there has to be some way for the servers to pick one healer and one DD every time. I don't think they've ever done a fight where someone is targeted specifically because of the job they are, but rather because of the actions they have done in the encounter.

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most probably rng between the colours of ur party icon.
1) pick one from green icon
2) pick one from red icon
3) GAOL!!!

It's not top DPS/HPS or top aggro for the DPS/Heal that's for sure. In my titan runs with my FC last weekend, I did most DPS by far but I only got gaol like once. Also if the top aggro thing was a thing, a Scholar would never be gaol when there's a White Mage.

It's burst damage at a specific point in time. DPS can get consistent gaol if they burn through their CDs near the phase point.

It is most likely similar to weights where he has a hidden check status point, before cast.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Edit: Thinking about it more, it would make sense because there has to be some way for the servers to pick one healer and one DD every time. I don't think they've ever done a fight where someone is targeted specifically because of the job they are, but rather because of the actions they have done in the encounter.

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A bunch of fights do it now. Examples:

Garuda EX: Healers are always targeted by Garuda's Friction (the one with no AoE tell)
Titan EX: Gaols target one DPS and one Heal
Ifrit EX: Searing Howl only targets Heals; chain Eruptions only target 2 DPS (think the Eruptions during Nails can target anyone but #1, but not 100% on that; it may have another targeting parameter)
Levi EX: the whirlpool things target Healers only
Turn 7: Cursed Voice targets one Heal, Tank and DPS. Cursed Shriek targets a Heal or DPS. The Flame AoE prioritizes ranged DPS first, then melee DPS (if <2 rDPS), then Heals and Tanks (though at this point its a wipe, so whatever)


There are fights that have mechanics based on enmity (many fights have mechanics ignoring #1); some examples
Turn 5: #1 and #2 on Twin ignore Conflags, Fireballs and Dreads.
Levi EX: Top enmity on Tail gets Briny Mirror
Titan EX: Top enmity ignores Plumes and Landslides, unless there are too few targets (people dead)

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Originally Posted by PArcher

A bunch of fights do it now. Examples:

.... (think the Eruptions during Nails can target anyone but #1, but not 100% on that; it may have another targeting parameter)

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Actually targets #2, which should usually be the person OTing at the time unless they died right before and haven't had to establish hate again yet.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Levi EX: the whirlpool things target Healers only

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I'll disagree with this one. I've been farming the heck out of leviathan since he's been released. Many, many occasions I've been targeted by the whirlpool/bomb things as melee dps.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I always felt like it picks the top enmity amongst healers and the top enmity amongst DPS. I only say this because I see WHM and Melees get goaled more than any other jobs.

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Nope. Most of the time I'm 2nd or 3rd (just below tanks and healers, so 1st of DDs) in the enmity list and I don't get picked at all for gaol.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

I'll disagree with this one. I've been farming the heck out of leviathan since he's been released. Many, many occasions I've been targeted by the whirlpool/bomb things as melee dps.

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There are 2 different types. The type that comes when you fight levi targets both healers and range dps. They type that comes during dives (those drops) target dps only.

But this is about gaols. I believe healer is random, but the top burst dps always gets the gaol. "Pop all your cool downs" is a good way to get it.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

I'll disagree with this one. I've been farming the heck out of leviathan since he's been released. Many, many occasions I've been targeted by the whirlpool/bomb things as melee dps.

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Never seen it, even with dead heals. One dead heal has always just had one go off on the living one for me.

EDIT: And this is the whirlpool thing while DPSing stuff, not the thing that causes Heavy during Dives (that can target anyone I think, even the tanks; I know I've had it target me when I MTed, haven't OTed and am not paying attention to who it targets when I heal)

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I don't think they've ever done a fight where someone is targeted specifically because of the job they are, but rather because of the actions they have done in the encounter.

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There are multiple fights where things like this happen. Turn 6 Reflessia comes to mind first as an example. The Yellow marker for devour never targets tanks. Honey never targets tanks. So I could look at this as it targets a DPS or a Healer, which is specifically choosing someone just because of their job class. There are other similar events in the game. Titan blatantly does this as well considering is ALWAYS 1 healer and always 1 dps. Sure they may have a rule helping decide which healer or which dps, but it most definitely is always one dps and one healer. So yes, the game does do this.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

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The problem with tank-swapping fights where mechanics ignore the tanks is that the mechanic may be "ignore top 2 aggro" rather than "ignore tanks"...and I just throw any fights like T6 as aggro-based, not class based, especially without further testing (who is going to T6 with 1 tank to test?). I've seen theories that T5 was supposed to have tank-swapping, which is why you have #1 and #2 ignoring Dreads, Conflags and Fireballs; if it was class-based you wouldn't be able to have a top DPS at #2 to ignore Conflags.

Titan is definitely class-based for Gaols since they target a heal and DPS, but Landslides and Plumes are aggro-based (however, they ignore #1, not top 2).

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Originally Posted by PArcher

A bunch of fights do it now. Examples:

Garuda EX: Healers are always targeted by Garuda's Friction (the one with no AoE tell)
Titan EX: Gaols target one DPS and one Heal
Ifrit EX: Searing Howl only targets Heals; chain Eruptions only target 2 DPS (think the Eruptions during Nails can target anyone but #1, but not 100% on that; it may have another targeting parameter)
Levi EX: the whirlpool things target Healers only
Turn 7: Cursed Voice targets one Heal, Tank and DPS. Cursed Shriek targets a Heal or DPS. The Flame AoE prioritizes ranged DPS first, then melee DPS (if <2 rDPS), then Heals and Tanks (though at this point its a wipe, so whatever)

There are fights that have mechanics based on enmity (many fights have mechanics ignoring #1); some examples
Turn 5: #1 and #2 on Twin ignore Conflags, Fireballs and Dreads.
Levi EX: Top enmity on Tail gets Briny Mirror
Titan EX: Top enmity ignores Plumes and Landslides, unless there are too few targets (people dead)

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Those are all new fights besides turn 5 which is enmity based, as you said. My point was that it is a new mechanic they introduced with EX primals. Have you ever had a healer only DD and still get picked as the healer targeted for a specific mechanic? I am highly skeptical that it is decided simply by which job you are playing.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

There are multiple fights where things like this happen. Turn 6 Reflessia comes to mind first as an example. The Yellow marker for devour never targets tanks. Honey never targets tanks. So I could look at this as it targets a DPS or a Healer, which is specifically choosing someone just because of their job class. There are other similar events in the game. Titan blatantly does this as well considering is ALWAYS 1 healer and always 1 dps. Sure they may have a rule helping decide which healer or which dps, but it most definitely is always one dps and one healer. So yes, the game does do this.

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Again, I don't think you understand how I was saying the mechanic works. Ex. Target the person who did the most damage (DPS) and target the person who did the most healing (Healer) over X amount of time. It will never target a tank for the dps spot unless your party is dead and the tank is the only one doing damage. It will also never pick a DD for the healer spot because DD are never healing besides the one time cooldowns. It just makes sense to do it this way, as it ensures, assuming your party is alive and doing their jobs, that a healer and a DD will always be picked.

I've got a theory:

You're reading way too much into this. From my experience it's completely random. One of the healers, one of the DPS. I've been picked repeatedly when on my Bard, with high TP and definitely not highest enmity.

There is no benefit to decipher this assuming it even has a pattern.
- Leave it at random. It is easier to do so than to keep track of tp/mp the whole fight.