Echo buff optional?

So pre-2.2, the live letters and stuff said the echo buff would be optional. Is there a way to turn it off (or not have it apply?) I see nothing in the patch notes about that. My static would like to beat t5 legitimately first.

You should be able to just click on it and remove it, like food effects. At least, you could if you received the buff during the main story quests.

You can click it off with a mouse or click select till you're in the buff section, move to the echo and click X if you're on controller.

Right-click the buff to remove it. Or, for gamepad, press select until you get to the buffs, d-pad over to it, press confirm (I think).

Click the buff.

Yeah, you can deactivate it but that 10% is not a big difference anyway. Conflags will still kill you if they don't destroy them, Divebombs will still nuke your party, the walls will still kill you, the snakes will still wipe your tanks, the twisters will still one-shoot you, the Dreadknights will still vaporize your existance, the Liquid Hell will still be a pain. We won T5 last night without the buff, because we think the same than you, but then, we didn't notice a big difference between having the buff or not.

10% is huge if your dps is optimal. You can easily force into divebombs after 3 conflags, and probably 2 at this point. More dps = less chances of rage. Also healing is much easier, and tanking has less chances of getting ds -> auto attack death

Didn't they nerf all coils.... other than the buff? so its not really legitimate way anymore.

Legitimate kill deadline was the day before the 2.2 patch.

Clicking off buff makes you better than those who rely on it but.. its not actual version.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

Didn't they nerf all coils.... other than the buff? so its not really legitimate way anymore.

Legitimate kill deadline was the day before the 2.2 patch.

Clicking off buff makes you better than those who rely on it but.. its not actual version.

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Turn 5 didn't get changed, only things that relied on certain class setups. E.G. Knights/soldiers in t4 and High Voltage paralyze in t2.

That said, even with echo it's still "legitimate", but if you want to argue that then anyone with a single piece of gear over i90 destroys legitimacy anyway. The better way to do it would be use the echo, learn the fight, get through all the phases. THEN go back to lower level gear, turn off echo, and see if you can still beat it.

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Originally Posted by Alipoprocks

Turn 5 was changed alot.

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Nope, Just checked 2.2 and 2.21 patch notes, absolutely nothing specific changed in turn 5 except the addition of the Echo buff. Mechanics/health of mobs/etc have all stayed the same since the October(?) patch that made Twisters manageable.

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Originally Posted by Djeserit

Turn 5 didn't get changed, only things that relied on certain class setups. E.G. Knights/soldiers in t4 and High Voltage paralyze in t2.

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Turn 5 was changed alot. I think it's a good idea to keep it if you get though anyway. ;p

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Originally Posted by Synapse

Didn't they nerf all coils.... other than the buff? so its not really legitimate way anymore.

Legitimate kill deadline was the day before the 2.2 patch.

Clicking off buff makes you better than those who rely on it but.. its not actual version.

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Legit kill deadline was before twister nerf.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

That means no one killed it.

Well without the glitch anyway.

First kill was after twistier. nerf.(yes dread getting immobilized is also a glitch, in case you wanna bring up that fight).

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Actually I was referring to the patch after BG beat it where they tuned down the twisters.

If you're going to be hoity-toity about content, at least be accurate.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Legit kill deadline was before twister nerf.

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That means no one killed it.

Well without the glitch anyway.

First kill was after twistier. nerf.(yes dread getting immobilized is also a glitch, in case you wanna bring up that fight).

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Originally Posted by Synapse

That means no one killed it.

Well without the glitch anyway.

First kill was after twistier. nerf.(yes dread getting immobilized is also a glitch, in case you wanna bring up that fight).

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Blue gartr killed it two days before twisters got the nerf bat.

I never considered the twister nerf a nerf. Kudos to BG for their achievement but the twisters were pretty near an RNG mechanic. Devs realized they grossly overtuned it and dialed it down to where it should have been. It's too bad the kill was right before the patch so they couldn't attempt to repeat the kill. I don't doubt they would have taken her down again but I wonder how many wipes would have been required to do it since you had to win the lottery or have 10ms ping to get through twisters clean. As for legit kills...as long as you aren't exploiting the kill is legit. The echo isn't the same as when you were 5 and you popped the Game Genie into your NES to clear Ninja Gaiden and if you care about your epeen so much you can turn it off. Also Turn 5 got a cosmetic change in 2.2. The big hill was leveled off. Other than that the fight is the same.