BLM dps

What numbers do you hit with sustained dps?

I am not talking about turn 4 aoe inflated dps. What numbers do you hit on turn 5, 6 or 7? What numbers do you hit for EX primals?

Seems like BLM is always way behind good mnks, drgs, and brds when it comes to single target fights.

I hit 214 at the end of my last Titan EX run with my iLvl 90 BLM without the LB. It depends on the fight. More movement, lower DPS. From my experience, we're specialists. High burst and AoE damage, but because of the Astral/Umbral stacks and MP regen, we are not high on the sustained DPS list. My i90 DRG can stay north of 280 on Titan EX, for example.

For me it comes down to knowing the fight like once I get a grasp on the bosses specific rotation and mechanics I'm able to maximize DPS because by then I will know what I can get away with while still dodging mechanics when needed. I can't quote specific numbers since SE decided to take their stance on such programs that offer said numbers but I'm always riding threat behind main and off tank which is a decent indication of DPS.

253 DPS in Leviathan Extreme~

Yes, currently BLM is on the lower end of DPS chart. From current content.

Could you point out how and where you do AOEs / Flares on the EX primals incl. Leviathan? Would like to compare the dmg outputs

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

Could you point out how and where you do AOEs / Flares on the EX primals incl. Leviathan? Would like to compare the dmg outputs

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Generally, you would only want to use flare when the fight fulfills below condition:-

1. Multiple adds gathers at the same spots.
2. Pushing DPS at the last few seconds (Win or wipe scenario)
3. When convert and swift cast is available and you foresee no use of swift cast in the later 60 Sec after you use them now. (Double flare; triple if use mana pots)


Garuda:
Razor plumes phase when everyone stack to lure Razor plumes together. You only flare when that happens.

Titan:
Never unless you are trying to break Super bomb or push DPS before enrage happens.

Ifrit:
Never, unless you are trying to push DPS before Enrage.

Levi:
When two adds gathers or when an add is at the head location (Very suitable for double/triple) flare.
When you try to down spumes.


Flare isn't always a DPS increase. If used incorrectly, it will even reduce DPS because after flare, you need to convert + Ice III and finally go back to your normal DPS rotation which takes forever.

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Originally Posted by Marcusow86

Garuda:
Razor plumes phase when everyone stack to lure Razor plumes together. You only flare when that happens.

Titan:
Never unless you are trying to break Super bomb or push DPS before enrage happens.

Ifrit:
Never, unless you are trying to push DPS before Enrage.

Levi:
When two adds gathers or when an add is at the head location (Very suitable for double/triple) flare.
When you try to down spumes.


Flare isn't always a DPS increase. If used incorrectly, it will even reduce DPS because after flare, you need to convert + Ice III and finally go back to your normal DPS rotation which takes forever.

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On titan I tend to Flare the goal below titan esp. on heart phase.

A nice way not to go into Blizz3 is to continue with Fire 3 + Fire 1 and then to use Blizzard 3, with around 250 Piety thats no problem

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

On titan I tend to Flare the goal below titan esp. on heart phase.

A nice way not to go into Blizz3 is to continue with Fire 3 + Fire 1 and then to use Blizzard 3, with around 250 Piety thats no problem

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I am so sorry for confusing everyone by typing convert, i mean transpose.

If convert is ready, i would Manual cast Flare---> Convert----> Swift cast Flare

I double flare the first set of egi adds on Titan and triple flare the second set if overall DPS of the party is low but always double flare both sets it puts my DPS quite high.

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Originally Posted by Marcusow86

I am so sorry for confusing everyone by typing convert, i mean transpose.

If convert is ready, i would Manual cast Flare---> Convert----> Swift cast Flare

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Haha no worries, yes 2x flares are the thing

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Originally Posted by HeavensHell

I double flare the first set of egi adds on Titan and triple flare the second set if overall DPS of the party is low but always double flare both sets it puts my DPS quite high.

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Good point - I usually tried to flare 1 the 1st add + titan and then the 2 adds together - never tried to flare 2x 2 should consider for the next attempt

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Originally Posted by Licus

What numbers do you hit with sustained dps?

I am not talking about turn 4 aoe inflated dps. What numbers do you hit on turn 5, 6 or 7? What numbers do you hit for EX primals?

Seems like BLM is always way behind good mnks, drgs, and brds when it comes to single target fights.

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Blm is not behind brd on single target fights.

Turn 5 : ~320
Turn 6 : ~295
Turn 7 : 260, only 1 kill
Turn 8 : ~35 dps behind mnk

Titan ex : ~270

Havent done levi ex yet

I'm gonna go ahead and assume your RNG was pretty good on that T6. You can't say BLM do that number of DPS on this fight because BLM is the RNG class. If you have good luck with procs, you will perform well but if you get crappy/average RNG, you will be behind other DPS unless it's an AoE fight where you will perform well.

What hurts BLM is losing procs from double procs. This is a stupid mechanic and requires a fix.

300 on t7, 310 on t8. I have seen 360 on t8, but RNG is not strong with me.

Up to 400 in T5 with echo, so about 350 without??

While i can agree single target we are behind some (not all) classes.
And for aoe situations we don't perform "well", no other class comes near blm dmg when it comes to multiple targets ;)
Lately i have been having instances were after a flare> transpose i do not get a mana tick, even after waiting.
Thinking either lag issues at my end or the server. I also agree that blm is sort of rng as Firestarter or thundercloud can be random but hey when they do proc we are way up there in dmg :D

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this or not but I've noticed that flare does roughly the same amount of dmg as long as you have 1000+ mp so I try to time a couple of fires in beforehand if I can . but this is just my observation no counter used so correct me if I'm wrong please

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Originally Posted by gulfsierra5736

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this or not but I've noticed that flare does roughly the same amount of dmg as long as you have 1000+ mp so I try to time a couple of fires in beforehand if I can . but this is just my observation no counter used so correct me if I'm wrong please

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That would be because flare dmg does not matter if you have 1000 mp or 20, it remains the same (if you were to just cast flare for example). At least what i observed and read anyhow
Myself i used to use flare when lower in mp but find myself using it after 1 full rotation now so after my mp is charged back up

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Originally Posted by Maero

That would be because flare dmg does not matter if you have 1000 mp or 20, it remains the same

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You need at least 300+ MP to cast Flare but yeah damage of that flare is the same if you're in the same Fire/Ice conditions, with the same buffs, with the same stats as potency doesn't depend on MP. I'sh, watch for the Astral Fire III buff. Sometimes if you click Transpose too quick, it doesn't register you as having Fire stacks and thus doesn't change to Umbral Ice. This mostly happens with lag when you try to Flare -> Transpose -> mana tick -> 2s -> Flare. I have had no problems with it so you might want to consult your ISP.

t5: 320 overall encdps (this was last night with the echo buff)

t6: 292 (this week)

t7: most of my attempts have me anywhere from 256-330 (haven't cleared yet/depends heavily on rng)

titan: i've done titan on blm once, next time i get in on a sell run i'll come as blm and edit with my numbers

leviathan: i usually do this on scholar, i'll try it as a blm and edit with my numbers

You need 266 or more MP for Flare. Potency does not change based on MP spent at all.

DPS numbers really don't mean much at the moment considering everyone is gearing up again and will see different results because of it.