Atma is.....

Annoying... Yes, needs a less rng approach... Yes. Worth all the crying... No. I spent a lot of time every day grinding this crap for the past week, and got them.

Maybe!!! And just bare with me, you could spend moar time killing all the fates vs complaining to someone on the forums who isn't looking and refreshing every 5 minutes to see who joined you or flamed you.

I in my days spent have watched numerous people grinding fates in my PTs NOT hit all the fates "I'm not running up that far" or hitting one fate and afk through 3 (probably on here complaining). And of these VERY MANY ( 3-4 in a full pt) people about 90% of them at some point cursed the game and left..... Those people... Do not deserve anything... Preferably they cancel their sub and make the community that much better!

If I look at it from a business way.

Players pay for this game and that make them clients. Clients who pay for a service have the right to complain when they think something is wrong with the service they pay for. And in the end, if after they complained the service still doesn't meet their expectations, clients will stop paying for it.
You see people crying. I see clients complaining ;)

Don't forget the people crying are paying for this game and as a consequence expect the service they pay for to meet their expectations.

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Originally Posted by Kret

Annoying... Yes, needs a less rng approach... Yes. Worth all the crying... No. I spent a lot of time every day grinding this crap for the past week, and got them.

I in my days spent have watched numerous people grinding fates in my PTs NOT hit all the fates "I'm not running up that far" or hitting one fate and afk through 3 (probably on here complaining). And of these VERY MANY ( 3-4 in a full pt) people about 90% of them at some point cursed the game and left..... Those people... Do not deserve anything... Preferably they cancel their sub and make the community that much better!

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The Point is, the people that did get atma in 10-20 mins do not deserver them anymore then anyone else, RNG is just bad, make it 30-40 fate per atma, there would been a lot less complaining

I wish that were true ( this kinda covers pys comment aswell) if it were a set amount then it would be too high, if it were one and done another crowd would say it's too easy. Point is when your targeting multiple demographics with a product not everyone is going to be happy. I myself and plenty of people I know hate wal-mart... Are they going under because of it, nope, because there are still a large amount of people that still shop there.

I for one am only voicing against the tidal wave of QQ because I'm tired of seeing things my friends and I put work into getting nerfed to the point that the only requirement to be successful is to have a pulse.

People are not complaining about difficulty, they are complaining against classical and operant conditioning used to extend game lifespan and subsiquinly subscription revenue. When over used without giving a reward the subject may or may not realize what is going on. In this case the vocal community here has, and does not like being manipulated in this manner.

A time sink is not the same thing as difficulty. Look up Pavlov and skinner, easy enough to find.

If your curious as to what you are actually complaining about search for the ny times article "why waiting is torture" FYI you play the part of the stabber in the post office ;)

I did not say it was difficult. But my friends and I put in the time and effort to do it.

Here's the thing I don't fully understand about all the QQ. People claim that it's sooo random and that people who are done are just lucky. I Put my time in 10 hours in west la noscea had me at wits end but here's the thing. If it's completely luck and I'm extremely lucky lets broaden the picture.

There are now 10/10 people in my fc that buckled down and made atma their goal that all have their weapons. Members that have family's and full time jobs so not a great deal more than your average player. I find it hard to believe that our fc went 10/10 and we were all extremely lucky within the first week, including the guy that spend 7 hours in the wrong zone (lmao).

The fix for the atma "problem" is to stfu and just do it. Your welcome all!

Again I don't know why people who are so emotionally unequipped for grinding even do it. I really don't mind things being grindy or RNG, just accept it might take you a couple more weeks and space out your time invested into it.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

A time sink is not the same thing as difficulty.

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So no game ever should have time sinks?

That's a loaded question. In this case they added it as a revenue generation tactic as opposed to creating gaps in the story progression to add a disconnect for dramatic purposes then yes it is bad.

Personally I don't mind grinding the atmas out, in fact I have most of a second set already, but the majority of the customers they want, the ones that pay for the service but don't use it, will hate it.

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Originally Posted by Worm

So no game ever should have time sinks?

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no game should make them this boring.

love this grind.. was growing tired of easy mode

on book 4 now with hly shield animus complete

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Originally Posted by Kret

I did not say it was difficult. But my friends and I put in the time and effort to do it.

Here's the thing I don't fully understand about all the QQ. People claim that it's sooo random and that people who are done are just lucky. I Put my time in 10 hours in west la noscea had me at wits end but here's the thing. If it's completely luck and I'm extremely lucky lets broaden the picture.

There are now 10/10 people in my fc that buckled down and made atma their goal that all have their weapons. Members that have family's and full time jobs so not a great deal more than your average player. I find it hard to believe that our fc went 10/10 and we were all extremely lucky within the first week, including the guy that spend 7 hours in the wrong zone (lmao).

The fix for the atma "problem" is to stfu and just do it. Your welcome all!

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So what about the people who put in more hours than you and still don't have the items? SOL?

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Originally Posted by Kret

Those people... Do not deserve anything... Preferably they cancel their sub and make the community that much better!

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No. Just no. From a business point of view less people = less income for SE. The smaller of an income this game generates for SE the less of a priority it will be to them. We want it to be as big and successful as possible, not to turn into the next failed MMO. SWOTOR hit 1.8 Million players as well. Then the developers got to big for their britches and ... We all know how that ended up -_-.

The complaints about atma farming are silly. If you're that frustrated with it, farm Coil 2 for the Unidentified Tomes or the Turn 9 weapons. Farm Leviathan for his weapon. Those are comparable. Heck, in many cases, the animus weapons are not as good as the others anyway.

I put in 15 hours in Central Thanalan before I found my first atma. Was it frustrating? Maybe. But not because the game is bad for it. It's frustrating when your luck is on such a downswing like that. I stuck with it and, guess what, I got all 12 (plus two duplicates) within the next 8 hours of farming.

So, to anyone who is so fed up with farming atmas, stop farming atmas for a while. Go do something else for a while.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So what about the people who put in more hours than you and still don't have the items? SOL?

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I tend to not buy into it. I farmed 50 hours translates to In. 48hr period I logged in sporadically and never got a drop cuz " I have a life". Reality, 4 hours actually farming.Watched it multiple times on my own server. And no, your not SOL your just not done. Guna still stick with my 10/10 in fc being complete in one week. We can't all be super lucky, most are just lazy.

So if you put in at least 3 days' work, got nothing, and gave up, that's lazy then?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So if you put in at least 3 days' work, got nothing, and gave up, that's lazy then?

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you didnt farm for 3 days and get nothing... you farmed for a few hours within 3 days and got nothing. RNG happens bro, suck it up. rewind time and go 130+wins before seeing the weapon you wanted in 1.0 ifrit and come bitch at me about rng, and THAT one wasn't just me lol, or dare i say try to just level for christs sake in pre abysea FFXI. Atma is LULZ compared to anything SE has thrown at us in the past. dont like it? i hear WoW has a new expansion coming out.

Atma is for hikikomori

I don't think its strange(i've seen my fair share of people rage over this quest) that some spent 10 hours for full atma's and others do 40 hours for one stupid drop.
There is no challenge, nothing one can do (like getting better, learning the battles or w/e) This is pure randomness, some are lucky enough to get them within a day others will farm for weeks.

And thats why they are so mad. There is nothing one can do to get them faster.

Since OP thinks the world is lazy just because they finished in a relatively decent amount of time let quantify this a little differently.
Friend A: resubbed out of the blue, did 60 fates total has all 12 atma
Myself: did 476 fates to get 12
Friend B: going on 1800 fates (took the week off) is currently 3/12
That is a range of 20% (lucky) > 2% (expected) > 0.5%

The argument that the 1.0 drop system is mute because there was just as much backlash against that as well. The melds weren't as bad because we all knew, when the high end of the rng scale was coming since it was based off you birthday and deity

As I've said in another thread, I'm currently 0/12 on my Atmas. I'm not necessarily complaining about the drop rates needing to be increased, since I'm used to having absolutely abysmal luck in games, this is nothing new to me. I've logged 40 hours into this game since saturday, every minute of that time was spent fate grinding. Yes, I'm still 0/12, yes it absolutely sucks, I DO wish there were some more feasible way to at the very least INCREASE chances, I don't think increasing the drop rate is the answer though, although admittedly, I don't know WHAT a proper response would be. Personally, I don't want the Relic Atma(or animus at that) just "handed to me for having a pulse", and I don't think some of these other people do either. I enjoy that it's a task that will take a LOT of time, I respect that and embrace it. I do feel that the people that were more fortunate in their farming though are being a tad bit callous towards the less fortunate, which I don't agree with either. Both sides of this argument need to just stop. Yes there is "other content" they can get, but if they're like me, they enjoy their relic, they're attached to it, and I can't speak for others, but I personally feel I accomplished something in getting it, that's why I'm sticking to my guns now in doing this grind. To the people demanding that it be increased, I dunno what to tell you, I'm in the same boat as you, just don't let it discourage you, you WILL eventually get it and you will eventually have your reward. Rather than fight and argue and demean one another, how about we all just stay together as a community and show help one another? I still have faith that we're a GOOD community.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

The complaints about atma farming are silly. If you're that frustrated with it, farm Coil 2 for the Unidentified Tomes or the Turn 9 weapons. Farm Leviathan for his weapon. Those are comparable. Heck, in many cases, the animus weapons are not as good as the others anyway.

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That'd be nice if I could get a group for Coil. Instead, people are too busy farming for atmas/crafting. Even in static, people are still working on alts or just getting to finishing the main storyline. Sure, I love new content; it just sucks when you can't even do the content because of 8-player dungeon requirements.

At this point, I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be doing, other than spamming for soldtomes to get i100 gear.

And for the record, I still only have 1/12. Grinding low-level FATEs is boring as all get out, so I just stopped and decided to level healer classes instead.