Atma and state of game

Is it just me or does it seem like the addition of having to fate grind low level fate's is a cop out? Yea it will make content last longer, but why make us grind low level content. I leveled up to 50 and i88 blm so I didn't have to do low level stuff anymore. I am disappointed with this questline and will not be doing it at all. It's a shame that the new patch is not living up to the hype imo. I have played since launch and have backed this game 100% til now. Throw in the server lag and this game is unplayable right now. I only can hope that no more questlines like this come into the game.

I look at it as experiencing a bunch of content that may have been missed long ago. It gives me an excuse to go to certain areas and find FATEs that I never actually tried before. Then, as an added bonus, folks who are still leveling are guaranteed to find people at FATEs that might otherwise become deserted.

It's a pain in the ass for the hardcore elites, but for everyone else, I think it's just fine.

Besides, I'm willing to bet the coupon weapons are just as good as the Atma weapons anyhow.

If you've tried one FATE you've tried them all, low level or high level they're all the same.

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Originally Posted by OverNightGamer

It's a shame that the new patch is not living up to the hype imo.

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Lol, If you think that the Atma quest is the entire patch....then. Idk.

I have farmed FATEs for the Atma since day 1, 3 hours tops, to 1 hour everyday whenever i get the chance to, NOT A SINGLE ATMA.

I'll just run FATEs whenever i feel like it but I'll stop pursuing it nonstop. Just running something tedious for hours expecting something with the chance of it appearing is 1/20 (my assumption, not the actual drop) is just nerve shattering and soul breaking.

Im not gonna quit the game. I mean, you put HOURS into the game and then something appears that makes you go FTS and you just quit the game altogether, thats just childish and you probably had little to no interest to keep playing.

I rather take my chances with Second Coil and get the Allagan Tome for Masterworks. I'll do the atma everyday, im just not expecting it with zeal anymore.

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Originally Posted by ArkAurelius

I rather take my chances with Second Coil and get the Allagan Tome for Masterworks. I'll do the atma everyday, im just not expecting it with zeal anymore.

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Quite honestly, that has been my stance on it since the very beginning. I spent the first week-end clearing anything else I wanted (only have Levi Ex and Moogle Ex to go, then off to beat Twintania I go) and only started Atma farming for an hour tonight, to no avail.

And that's how I'll handle it. I'll do an hour of grinding or so more or less every day. Maybe it'll take me months, maybe it'll take me only two weeks. I really don't care. I still have 3 crafts to level, beastmean dailies to do, alt jobs to gear. I won't let some stupid mechanic that relies only on RNG (and quite frankly, nothing else at all) let me stop playing. ^^

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I look at it as experiencing a bunch of content that may have been missed long ago. It gives me an excuse to go to certain areas and find FATEs that I never actually tried before. Then, as an added bonus, folks who are still leveling are guaranteed to find people at FATEs that might otherwise become deserted.

It's a pain in the ass for the hardcore elites, but for everyone else, I think it's just fine.

Besides, I'm willing to bet the coupon weapons are just as good as the Atma weapons anyhow.

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I don't really see this as a benefit for lower level players.10-20 something level 50 players zerging a fate won't really give them time to make much of an impact on the fact to receive any real xp from it. As a blm, I was finding it rather difficult to even get a spell off before the melee had killed it.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

I don't really see this as a benefit for lower level players.10-20 something level 50 players zerging a fate won't really give them time to make much of an impact on the fact to receive any real xp from it. As a blm, I was finding it rather difficult to even get a spell off before the melee had killed it.

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Do levequest if you are really having problems. Once you get blizz 2 you're golden.

Having just completed my Atma weapon a second ago, I realized just why we're expected to do FATEs to get them. It's a test of desire and patience, to see which players are the most willing to take the time and effort to farm all those FATEs for the upgraded weapon, regardless of the odds. For those of us who are able to take the patience to get it, we have what it takes to max out the weapons, and have the 'honor' of being one of the few to hold them. Or something like that anyway, it was a random possible epiphany moment.

Unlike Relic 1.0, which actually had more unique content. 2.0 Zodiac is just re-using old content that no one wants to do. TBH I think it's just SE"s way to making us hate the open world so that they don't have to make open world content.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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You're think too deeply.

the current set up is just a Gate to prevent too many players from getting their ilvl 100 Relic until 2.3 and 2.4 is released. As stated already the Relic will get new Upgrades each Patch which means the ilvl 110 relic is in 2.3. When 2.3 hits we will most likely see a increase in drop rates to Atma or the Drop rate removed so it can be placed on the ilvl 110 Souls in 2.3 and that players can start working on Animus since the actual expect rate of people entering Coil 2 is not meant to be at a high population until 2.3 when CT 2nd raid is released for more ilvl 100 gears and Relic ilvl 110 Quests is released.

Even if players get Atma now they still have about 1 month worth of work to get the stats the real ilvl 100 relic being Animus since Atma stats are still the ilvl 90 Relic until yet get all 9 book upgrades.

Only benefit for getting Atma and Animus before 2.3 hits with the ilvl 110 Relic is that players will have a head start if the RNG god allows them to get their Atma in 2.2 within the 3 month until 2.3 hits from now.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Having just completed my Atma weapon a second ago, I realized just why we're expected to do FATEs to get them. It's a test of desire and patience, to see which players are the most willing to take the time and effort to farm all those FATEs for the upgraded weapon, regardless of the odds. For those of us who are able to take the patience to get it, we have what it takes to max out the weapons, and have the 'honor' of being one of the few to hold them. Or something like that anyway, it was a random possible epiphany moment.

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You sure sing a different tune than just a little while ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45#post1983345
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25#post1983225

Hope you aren't that hypocrite with that elitist attitude that looks down on people with worse luck now that the rng gods decide to smile on you. I apologize if I'm mistaken, but this complete U-turn and the sound of your post sure sounds that way.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

You sure sing a different tune than just a little while ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45#post1983345
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25#post1983225

Hope you aren't that hypocrite with that elitist attitude that looks down on people with worse luck now that the rng gods decide to smile on you. I apologize if I'm mistaken, but this complete U-turn and the sound of your post sure sounds that way.

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He understands now that a hand-out would be the inferior option.

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Originally Posted by OverNightGamer

Is it just me or does it seem like the addition of having to fate grind low level fate's is a cop out? Yea it will make content last longer, but why make us grind low level content. I leveled up to 50 and i88 blm so I didn't have to do low level stuff anymore. I am disappointed with this questline and will not be doing it at all. It's a shame that the new patch is not living up to the hype imo.

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atma literally only exists for the sake of giving grind-lovers something to do with their life. There are tons of other weapons acquirable the same way every other weapon in the game is acquired.


Yet, for some stupid reason, everyone has tunnel vision for the crappy Atma stuff.


Okay, guess 2.2 was a flop then

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Originally Posted by Edellis

atma literally only exists for the sake of giving grind-lovers something to do with their life. There are tons of other weapons acquirable the same way every other weapon in the game is acquired.


Yet, for some stupid reason, everyone has tunnel vision for the crappy Atma stuff.


Okay, guess 2.2 was a flop then

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Well, we have yet to see the actual Zodiac Weapons. 2.2 is just part one of a two timer, so just got to wait till the 2.25. I already decided to go for Masterworks, Best to do Atma out of peak hours on a server and solo fates or just wait for a drop increase.

100 to 110 gear, after all.

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Originally Posted by ArkAurelius

Well, we have yet to see the actual Zodiac Weapons. 2.2 is just part one of a two timer, so just got to wait till the 2.25. I already decided to go for Masterworks, Best to do Atma out of peak hours on a server and solo fates or just wait for a drop increase.

100 to 110 gear, after all.

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I really don't think it matters. The moment I heard about the Atma quest it was obvious to me it's just a grind for the sake of a grind. A quick check on Xivdb confirms it. The Animus weapon is to the Tidal Wave weapons as the EX Primal weapons are to the Zenith. They're just an alternate path to (generally) the same result. One, you grind fates/tomes. Other, you defeat powerful bosses.


And considering the vast difference in power between Animus and the strongest current weapons avaliable, it is highly unlikely these new weapons will outpower any newer ones added to the game anytime soon, if even at all. At the very least, it'll be equal in strength to the non-grindy weapons.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Even if players get Atma now they still have about 1 month worth of work to get the stats the real ilvl 100 relic being Animus since Atma stats are still the ilvl 90 Relic until yet get all 9 book upgrades.

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Umm... no...
The Atma is gradually upgraded...
Complete one book and the Atma get a stat upgrade...
Complete another book and you get another stat upgrade on the Atma...
Complete all 9 books and you have the max stat upgrades...
Then you can exchange the fully upgraded Atma for an Animus which has an additional stat upgrade.

It's only until you complete the first book that it's the same as the i90 Relic Zenith...

Atma is designed to encourage FATEs which were severely lacking in Patch 2.1. FATEs have been rejuvenated in every part of the world (except Coerthas? WTF?) to help grind up more L50s per character. It's a great idea, it's just terribly time consuming.

My biggest worry is how tired players are going to get of it and just give up. It's frustrating and feels like wasted hours if you don't get it, and you have nothing to show for an entire day's worth of grinding things you don't need. Even my Chocobo is barely gaining any EXP to care.

I think this was a really bad move on Square-Enix's part. We all want this game to succeed, and they really blew it with unnecessary grinding during the weeks of ESO and WS. On the other hand we have another 3 months before any major content comes out. I just hope that Square continues to monitor what they're doing. Players on awkward time zones or third shift players are going to despise this with a passion.